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[Bok]

@Mark-S the second one doesn’t look bad at all. Waiting for people like @OCTO who know more about this kind of pots

[Mark-S]

Mark-S the second one doesn’t look bad at all. Waiting for people like OCTO who know more about this kind of pots

That's good to hear.

I was also sceptical about the low price, but I was pretty sure that the second pot is genuine. To me this was an indication that the seller does not know much about the prices for antiques. Similar pots I could find so far cost about $3000 or more. So I thought that he could be wrong about the squirrels pot too. The craftsmanship of the squirrels pot is very nice... I still don't know if I should keep it. I have to think about it.

This pot is the reason, I asked you about repairs for antiques. Thanks a lot for the detailed answer by the way! We have a very talented Kintsugi artist here. Maybe it's possible for her to fix the lid of this pot. But it's going to be expensive. I have to save more money for it and find more information about it before I spend this much money.

[Bok]

@Mark-S you’re welcome! I wouldn’t recommend Kintsugi for the insides of a pot. First, you won’t see those parts anyways and secondly it won’t last too long on the inside with frequent and long contact with hot water.

[Mark-S]

Mark-S you’re welcome! I wouldn’t recommend Kintsugi for the insides of a pot. First, you won’t see those parts anyways and secondly it won’t last too long on the inside with frequent and long contact with hot water.

There's a part of the leaf missing and this is not just visible on the inside. The Kintsugi artist here offers to use two part epoxy instead of the traditional stuff (but in combination with real gold). It looks the same but is more durable. But I have to think about it and look for possible alternatives. There are some porcelain repair shops but they are not familiar with asian teapots. They could repair a chip on a simple lid but no decorations.

[Bok]

There's a part of the leaf missing and this is not just visible on the inside. The Kintsugi artist here offers to use two part epoxy instead of the traditional stuff (but in combination with real gold). It looks the same but is more durable.

It doesn’t quite look the same… epoxy Kintsugi looks a bit plasticky and fake usually. I’d have a look at examples she did before and see if you like it.

[Mark-S]

It doesn’t quite look the same… epoxy Kintsugi looks a bit plasticky and fake usually. I’d have a look at examples she did before and see if you like it.

Oh, thanks for the warning I have to ask for some examples then, if I choose a Kintsugi repair with two part epoxy. If you cannot see a difference I wouldn't care if it's traditional or not. I don't want to spend like $500 or something like that for a repair that only lasts a few years.

[Bok]

For the leaf outside I’d really go for proper Kintsugi or gold leaf application for example. I could imagine that could work.

[.m.]

The teapot seems to be waxed. What do you think of this? I've read on teachat that this is a red flag... but I've seen a green label pot with wax applied (I think it was posted in this forum)... and the seller told me that it's common. However, he was wrong about other things, so I don't trust him blindly.

I wouldn't worry about the "wax" too much. Its common for pots from European market to not have seen much use (other than as a flower vase): sitting on a shelf somewhere collecting dust, once in a while polished with who knows what.

I like the second pot. The lid with the leaves is nicely crafted - quite often on this style of pot the lid tends to be a complete disaster.

[Minatures]

Pics…I like to get one the same

Thanks again

You are welcome, all of the above applies to this pot as well, so likely coloured Duanni.

authentic-min-guo-luni

that on the other hand doesn't mean anything, Minguo means Republic of China, which ended of course at some point, so not authentic, unless they mean "processed in a similar way as was done during ROC."

Anyways, just the usual marketing crap of vendors trying to create more confusion than clarity for customers by inventing more and more newly invented clay categories... as if it weren't complicated enough already.

[steanze]

This is an interesting one. There are several features that look "correct": the base, the interior filter, the exterior of the lid, the outer edge of the underside of the lid, the upper portion of the body... yet other features look suspicious: the underside of the lid, the spout... I'd give it a ~60-65% chance of being antique, with workmanship that is a bit inconsistent for different sections, possibly made for export.

The clay looks fine to me with Mica and small black/yellow dots... The teapot also has a small hairline crack. I don't know if this is easy to fake.

The teapot seems to be waxed. What do you think of this? I've read on teachat that this is a red flag... but I've seen a green label pot with wax applied (I think it was posted in this forum)... and the seller told me that it's common. However, he was wrong about other things, so I don't trust him blindly.

What makes you think it is waxed?

Wax was common in new 1960s and 70s F1 hongni. But not in antiques. Wax washes away after one or two uses. Your pot does not look waxed to me, just tea stained. in any case it's easy to find out: if you pour hot water on it does the wax come off?

Yes, I noticed the clay texture, but it could also be a 1990s replica with decent real clay.

There is that thin construction line near the outer edge of the underside of the lid that is sometimes seen in certain antiques, that is promising. But other details are a bit suspicious.

[Mark-S]

I like the second pot. The lid with the leaves is nicely crafted - quite often on this style of pot the lid tends to be a complete disaster.

These pots are also pretty nice: https://m.facebook.com/groups/113393665 ... 249980060/

The craftsmanship is a bit better on my pot. At least in my opinion. And I don't like pots with faces. Especially not the ones with Mao Zedong, not for $1.

Oh, and the 60's version from F1 is also nice.

I wouldn't worry about the "wax" too much. Its common for pots from European market to not have seen much use (other than as a flower vase): sitting on a shelf somewhere collecting dust, once in a while polished with who knows what.

This pot was bought in China in the 90's. But I've seen many polished pots from Asia... if this is wax I don't think it was necessarily applied to the pot to fake the age. Maybe they just liked it shiny.

For the leaf outside I’d really go for proper Kintsugi or gold leaf application for example. I could imagine that could work.

Ok, there are two Kintsugi repair shops in Germany as far as I know. I will ask them if this is possible and compare their works.

What makes you think it is waxed?

Wax was common in new 1960s and 70s F1 hongni. But not in antiques. Wax washes away after one or two uses. Your pot does not look waxed to me, just tea stained. in any case it's easy to find out: if you pour hot water on it does the wax come off?

Yes, I noticed the clay texture, but it could also be a 1990s replica with decent real clay.

There is that thin construction line near the outer edge of the underside of the lid that is sometimes seen in certain antiques, that is promising. But other details are a bit suspicious.

It feels like wax and the patina or waxed surface is uneven. You can see it on the spout.

I'll be back next Friday and then I'll make the "water test". Thank you for your help Until then I'll decide what to do with this pot.

[LeoFox]

Just received a 70s hong ni from @Bok:
viewtopic.php?p=35256#p35256

It is about 60 mL

Pics here include comparison with some other clays:
70s Hong Qing shui ni (hqsn)
Watanabe Tozo Joaka
Modern zini

[TeaTotaling]

Nicely colored collection Cool sketch from @Bok, as well!

[DailyTX]

Actually, I wanted to buy the $1000+ F1 version from ZAG but somebody bought this pot... So I looked for other teapots with this design and found this one. I paid about $250 for it... It's now the most expensive pot in my collection.

@Mark-S congratulation that you finally found the missing squirrel haha. It's a little hard to believe that the F1 squirrel pot was sold for 1k+
Now I am curious if my squirrel pot is authentic now maybe I can trade for a 60s hongni pot one day lol

[Mark-S]

Mark-S congratulation that you finally found the missing squirrel haha. It's a little hard to believe that the F1 squirrel pot was sold for 1k+
Now I am curious if my squirrel pot is authentic now maybe I can trade for a 60s hongni pot one day lol

Thanks , haha It was in the "Famous pots" category. Maybe it even cost more than $1000, who knows...

To be honest... in my opinion my pot looks better. But maybe this one was made by a famous potter or something like that... I don't know

http://zishaartgallery.com/product/%e7% ... b3-za0164/