It is probably just instinct for them to throw some dishwashing stuff over everything when they wash dishes. I don't even want dish soap to touch my porcelain mugs TBH.pantry wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:53 pmWhenever I had friends over (pre-COVID days) for tea/meals, I always insisted they do not do my dishes. They thought I was being a gracious host, but really I just didn't want people to touch my delicate waresklepto wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:21 pmThat is a real nightmare, I've had friends attempt to manhandle my teaware. One in particular tried to use Dawn(tm) grease cleanser on one of my clay gaiwans. The gaiwan wasn't that expensive but daaamn I kinda snapped. You could hear me doing the movie sound, "Noooooooooooooooo...".
Yixing
I would take it a step further and start pouring hot water butt first over the pot, not from the top. The bottom is the most solid part of the pot. If the pot has a certain thickness I omit that, but any thin-medium walled should be warmed from the outside first.klepto wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:02 pmI read that with zhuni teapots you had to pour water at the top to wake the pot up so you don't crack the pot with boiling water. I'm not sure if that is necessary with other types of clays. This is very confusing, but also you don't want to ruin your teapot. I haven't broken any of my gaiwans yet, but I've come close to them slipping out of my hands while cleaning them.
To me that is a sexy pot and I would very happily own it. I actually lost a similar shaped pot two years ago in a bird related incident, and I am yet to replace it.
One of my favourite pots is seesawing into oblivion, and can leak like a bitch, but I love it.
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That is a sexy pot, the sexiest pots to me are the breast shaped pots. It reminds me of the yahoos back in my home town that had beer mugs made in the shape of women's breasts. The Chinese did it with more tact 
Is there a site that has all the ming/qing yixing pot shapes on it?
Is there a site that has all the ming/qing yixing pot shapes on it?Don’t we all wish there was such a siteklepto wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:09 pmThat is a sexy pot, the sexiest pots to me are the breast shaped pots. It reminds me of the yahoos back in my home town that had beer mugs made in the shape of women's breasts. The Chinese did it with more tact
Not to my knowledge.
I think one reason why there isn't such a thing is – besides that there are just too many out there – that collectors and experts frequently disagree on a lot of things. And the ones who have all the information are usually the most hesitant to share. It's hard earned and often paid heavily for, knowledge. I know of things similar for antique porcelain, but those data bases usually come with paid membership access only. Which is only fair. If I want a book, I need to pay for it as well, why should online knowledge and expertise be any different.
Another teapot! Ordered this one from
Xu Yue Feng. I am told it is 20+ year old Da Hong Pao clay from Huanglong mountain, “refined” from zhuni ore by Master Xu himself. Does that make sense? I was under the impression that Da Hong Pao from Huanglongshan was extinct and also a different clay from zhuni.
My understanding is that Master Xu, though not certified, is of strong repute and well-known for working with Da Hong Pao clay—right/wrong?
The teapot is still in China and waiting my approval to send. They are checking on lid fit, pour, etc. tomorrow.
Please be candid and forthcoming with your thoughts and observations, as this is not a cheap pot and I have the right to decide. Thanks!
Xu Yue Feng. I am told it is 20+ year old Da Hong Pao clay from Huanglong mountain, “refined” from zhuni ore by Master Xu himself. Does that make sense? I was under the impression that Da Hong Pao from Huanglongshan was extinct and also a different clay from zhuni.
My understanding is that Master Xu, though not certified, is of strong repute and well-known for working with Da Hong Pao clay—right/wrong?
The teapot is still in China and waiting my approval to send. They are checking on lid fit, pour, etc. tomorrow.
Please be candid and forthcoming with your thoughts and observations, as this is not a cheap pot and I have the right to decide. Thanks!
@mafoofan
DHP is a modern "creation", to imitate old Da Hong Ni/ Da Hong Pao + antique zhuni with deep red colors.
If it's real, then it's basically just a better selection of Zhuni ore.
To comment on the lid:
I can see that "fault" now. I'd say, if you paid more than $2000 for it, then you should maybe send it back, if it really bothers you.
Btw, what is expensive for you?
For me it should be from 10000 USD upwards.
DHP is a modern "creation", to imitate old Da Hong Ni/ Da Hong Pao + antique zhuni with deep red colors.
If it's real, then it's basically just a better selection of Zhuni ore.
To comment on the lid:
I can see that "fault" now. I'd say, if you paid more than $2000 for it, then you should maybe send it back, if it really bothers you.
Btw, what is expensive for you?
For me it should be from 10000 USD upwards.
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Thanks, Youzi. I am getting clarification on the clay from Master Xu. The original description was that he “refined” it from 20+ year old zhuni sourced from Huang Long mountain. That would lead me to believe he handpicked the best stuff from his stash of zhuni ore—but who knows. I thought zhuni didn’t really come from Huang Long mountain . . .Youzi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 1:50 ammafoofan
DHP is a modern "creation", to imitate old Da Hong Ni/ Da Hong Pao + antique zhuni with deep red colors.
If it's real, then it's basically just a better selection of Zhuni ore.
To comment on the lid:
I can see that "fault" now. I'd say, if you paid more than $2000 for it, then you should maybe send it back, if it really bothers you.
Btw, what is expensive for you?
For me it should be from 10000 rmb upwards.
The issue with the Cheng lid—would a master consider it a mistake? How common on top-quality pots?
Unless you are going to pay a very high price for it, I would be very sceptical of any claims made on the clay. Like others said way above, ask for the best without knowing what it is supposed to look like and the possibility of seeing and touching in person, an it is an open invitation to get scammed...mafoofan wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:08 amThanks, Youzi. I am getting clarification on the clay from Master Xu. The original description was that he “refined” it from 20+ year old zhuni sourced from Huang Long mountain. That would lead me to believe he handpicked the best stuff from his stash of zhuni ore—but who knows. I thought zhuni didn’t really come from Huang Long mountain . . .
It is not a cheap pot. Does it look like proper Da Hong Pao to you?Bok wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:18 amUnless you are going to pay a very high price for it, I would be very sceptical of any claims made on the clay. Like others said way above, ask for the best without knowing what it is supposed to look like and the possibility of seeing and touching in person, an it is an open invitation to get scammed...mafoofan wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:08 amThanks, Youzi. I am getting clarification on the clay from Master Xu. The original description was that he “refined” it from 20+ year old zhuni sourced from Huang Long mountain. That would lead me to believe he handpicked the best stuff from his stash of zhuni ore—but who knows. I thought zhuni didn’t really come from Huang Long mountain . . .
HLS Zhuni is "common" in the current market, the reason being, that zhuni was considered not good enough during F1, since it was difficult to work with, compared to Hongni, which is actually more rare than HLS zhuni, since F1 used up most of what they found, because Red is good, red is the best!mafoofan wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:08 amThanks, Youzi. I am getting clarification on the clay from Master Xu. The original description was that he “refined” it from 20+ year old zhuni sourced from Huang Long mountain. That would lead me to believe he handpicked the best stuff from his stash of zhuni ore—but who knows. I thought zhuni didn’t really come from Huang Long mountain . . .Youzi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 1:50 ammafoofan
DHP is a modern "creation", to imitate old Da Hong Ni/ Da Hong Pao + antique zhuni with deep red colors.
If it's real, then it's basically just a better selection of Zhuni ore.
To comment on the lid:
I can see that "fault" now. I'd say, if you paid more than $2000 for it, then you should maybe send it back, if it really bothers you.
Btw, what is expensive for you?
For me it should be from 10000 rmb upwards.
The issue with the Cheng lid—would a master consider it a mistake? How common on top-quality pots?
So most of the zhuni ore and clay was sold off to private companies in 2000 when F1 closed down, and sold off all their holdings.
If he'd claim XMY or Zhaozhuang zhuni, then I'd be more surprised. So yes, I'd say HLS zhuni is in a humanly reachable price category.
I'd ask for him to show his raw ore, not processed one.
Will ask for photos of the ore.Youzi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:39 amHLS Zhuni is "common" in the current market, the reason being, that zhuni was considered not good enough during F1, since it was difficult to work with, compared to Hongni, which is actually more rare than HLS zhuni, since F1 used up most of what they found, because Red is good, red is the best!mafoofan wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:08 amThanks, Youzi. I am getting clarification on the clay from Master Xu. The original description was that he “refined” it from 20+ year old zhuni sourced from Huang Long mountain. That would lead me to believe he handpicked the best stuff from his stash of zhuni ore—but who knows. I thought zhuni didn’t really come from Huang Long mountain . . .Youzi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 1:50 ammafoofan
DHP is a modern "creation", to imitate old Da Hong Ni/ Da Hong Pao + antique zhuni with deep red colors.
If it's real, then it's basically just a better selection of Zhuni ore.
To comment on the lid:
I can see that "fault" now. I'd say, if you paid more than $2000 for it, then you should maybe send it back, if it really bothers you.
Btw, what is expensive for you?
For me it should be from 10000 rmb upwards.
The issue with the Cheng lid—would a master consider it a mistake? How common on top-quality pots?
So most of the zhuni ore and clay was sold off to private companies in 2000 when F1 closed down, and sold off all their holdings.
If he'd claim XMY or Zhaozhuang zhuni, then I'd be more surprised. So yes, I'd say HLS zhuni is in a humanly reachable price category.
I'd ask for him to show his raw ore, not processed one.
Most of his pots are “regular” zhuni, which he apparently specializes in, and the clay seems to be sourced from XMY and/or Zhaozhuang. Pricing is several hundred dollars.
The “Da Hong Pao” clay from Huanglong zhuni ore he considers his top-grade clay. Price for a 100ml pot like the one I pictured is ~$600.