I think the rule here is that experts only respond with information about pots that are already purchased
Yixing
What @steanze is gently hinting at and what @LeoFox is kindly trying to tell you is that there is a rule to only post images of pots you own. Since this is not your teapot, it should not have been posted here.
This will be something for the admins to address if they feel compelled. It is something for you to remember the next time you think of posting photos of teapots you do not own.
@maple is being modest.
The subtleties of what they are saying may have been lost if English is not your mother tongue.
Kind regards!
Thank you; that makes a lot of sense. Usually when I talk about F1 teapots, I just mean the standard simple shapes like shuiping, and I forget that they made more elaborate shapes as well.steanze wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:06 amFrom 1958 to the mid-late 1960s production volume was smaller, the work could be done by a smaller number of workers, and many of them were trained by very good craftsmen. in the 70s the volume increases, the workmanship gets a bit sloppier. In the 80s you have simpler pots for which the workmanship is not very good, but also some xiao ming jia pot that can be a bit more elaborate and workmanship is a bit better. It is not a simple overall decline, but if you take the basic shuiping then yes it gets worse over time. I think in the mid-late 80s better craftsmen were involved in producing more elaborate shapes.
There was a discussion here earlier about what 'wabi sabi' means, and I've often thought that standard shapes in the green label period (shuiping, guava, etc) come closest to that idea, at least in recent yixing teapot times. I find that there's something strangely attractive about the rough and utilitarian craftsmanship for those pots. And I doubt that any of those teapots were made roughly intentionally, as opposed to something that just happened naturally through producing the same teapot shape over and over again.
And as to gaoshan in duanni and zini, perhaps it's better to say that the conventional wisdom out there should be understood as guiding principles rather than inflexible rules, and that people can choose to depart from those guiding principles once they start to understand the basics and why those principles are said to be the conventionally-held wisdom.
So for my part, I like clay that emphasises freshness, mouthfeel and aftertaste with these kinds of tea, rather than seeking out individual flavours or delicate aromas, which is why I prefer the presentation that my chubby zini teapot gives me.
Andrew
I think I know what you mean, it is similar to items of other former socialist countries, like the DDR and other Eastern Block states, they have produced some things which have their own distinct charm. In German they even have a term for it "Ostalgie", East plus nostalgia.Andrew S wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:22 pmI find that there's something strangely attractive about the rough and utilitarian craftsmanship for those pots. And I doubt that any of those teapots were made roughly intentionally, as opposed to something that just happened naturally through producing the same teapot shape over and over again.
Fully agree on all of this!Andrew S wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:22 pmAnd as to gaoshan in duanni and zini, perhaps it's better to say that the conventional wisdom out there should be understood as guiding principles rather than inflexible rules, and that people can choose to depart from those guiding principles once they start to understand the basics and why those principles are said to be the conventionally-held wisdom.
So for my part, I like clay that emphasises freshness, mouthfeel and aftertaste with these kinds of tea, rather than seeking out individual flavours or delicate aromas, which is why I prefer the presentation that my chubby zini teapot gives me.
I like those individual flavours and delicate aromas, so maybe porcelain is the best material for now. However, it would be interesting to see what various clays could do to these teas.Andrew S wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:22 pmAnd as to gaoshan in duanni and zini, perhaps it's better to say that the conventional wisdom out there should be understood as guiding principles rather than inflexible rules, and that people can choose to depart from those guiding principles once they start to understand the basics and why those principles are said to be the conventionally-held wisdom.
So for my part, I like clay that emphasises freshness, mouthfeel and aftertaste with these kinds of tea, rather than seeking out individual flavours or delicate aromas, which is why I prefer the presentation that my chubby zini teapot gives me.
True! I guess you have to give up some of those aromas to get rid of the grassiness.
It would be nice to find a happy medium, especially for teas that I find too grassy/bitter. On the other hand, I could just buy better tea.
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I think there a few fb groups for this, but as far as I heard these are full of fakes and sellers pushing their stuff... without the regulating element of someone like Lu, these groups tend to descend into dodgy fighting pits and lose their value as reference sites.Chadrinkincat wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:21 pmAlso do you have any links that discuss these type of pots?
LOL, you responded really quickly. I actually edited my post to say that I could always buy better tea.
