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Sat May 22, 2021 2:42 pm

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Yeah :| , but I'll keep it for now. At least the clay does not look suspicious under the microscope, and I like the flower carving. Maybe it's not that bad for tea.
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Test it with tea, maybe it will be a good tea pitcher. Some people use 2 pots per session, one for brewing and one for serving.
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Sat May 22, 2021 2:45 pm

DailyTX wrote:
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Mark-S wrote:
Sat May 22, 2021 8:26 am
Bok

Yeah :| , but I'll keep it for now. At least the clay does not look suspicious under the microscope, and I like the flower carving. Maybe it's not that bad for tea.
Mark-S
Test it with tea, maybe it will be a good tea pitcher. Some people use 2 pots per session, one for brewing and one for serving.
I can imagine it might be good for green tea brewed lid off
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Tue May 25, 2021 7:51 pm

Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone could help me in finding out, if this set is worth much?
I was gifted it a couple of years ago.

Thanks in advance
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Tue May 25, 2021 9:39 pm

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Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone could help me in finding out, if this set is worth much?
I was gifted it a couple of years ago.

Thanks in advance
Hi! This is a modern set for tourists, it is not worth much.
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Fri May 28, 2021 4:32 am

A new 70s-80s pot from my collection. Unfortunately, it's not in perfect condition. Looks like the previous owner has dropped the lid too hard on the body. A repair would be too pricey. Maybe, I'll try to fix it myself some day with "fake" kintsugi.
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Fri May 28, 2021 4:39 am

@Mark-S for this spot and kind of damage a Kintsugi won’t hold together for long… fitting it with brass/silver/gold is probably better.
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Fri May 28, 2021 4:51 am

@Bok Don't you think that JB Weld would work? It's not that easy... but I think I could do this with some practice. A repair with brass/silver/gold would be very expensive and I couldn't do this myself.

I'd mix JB Weld (transparent) with wheat flour to fill the gaps and later apply another layer with JB Weld and golden food coloring. But I would try this first with trashy pots. :lol:
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Fri May 28, 2021 8:23 am

Mark-S wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 4:51 am
Bok Don't you think that JB Weld would work? It's not that easy... but I think I could do this with some practice. A repair with brass/silver/gold would be very expensive and I couldn't do this myself.

I'd mix JB Weld (transparent) with wheat flour to fill the gaps and later apply another layer with JB Weld and golden food coloring. But I would try this first with trashy pots. :lol:
Just use grey JB marine, no need to add wheat flour. You can use craft clay to make a simple temporary mold for shaping. Fine tune w/ sanding after epoxy is cured.
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Just use grey JB marine, no need to add wheat flour. You can use craft clay to make a simple temporary mold for shaping. Fine tune w/ sanding after epoxy is cured.
Thanks for the advice :)

So you would use modeling clay to make molds where pieces are missing? I would have used tape instead, but this is a better idea.

I bought these products now:

- Modeling clay (Plastilin)
- J-B Marine Weld
- Golden food coloring (I'm not sure about this, but I'll give this a try. I still have transparent JB Weld at home.)
- Paper tape (to secure the modeling clay)
- Sanding paper (I'll start with 120 grit, I think)
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Fri May 28, 2021 9:48 am

Mark-S wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 4:51 am
Bok Don't you think that JB Weld would work? It's not that easy... but I think I could do this with some practice. A repair with brass/silver/gold would be very expensive and I couldn't do this myself.

I'd mix JB Weld (transparent) with wheat flour to fill the gaps and later apply another layer with JB Weld and golden food coloring. But I would try this first with trashy pots. :lol:
From my perspective, fixing it with glue would just ruin the pot. I'd rather keep it with the chips so it can be fixed properly in the future. More generally, if there's a broken pot for sale and I think it is too expensive to fix it properly, either I'm happy with how it is for study purposes, or I'd rather wait for one in better condition. Better to have 10 good pots than 50 pots that all have some problem or other...
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Fri May 28, 2021 10:20 am

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From my perspective, fixing it with glue would just ruin the pot. I'd rather keep it with the chips so it can be fixed properly in the future. More generally, if there's a broken pot for sale and I think it is too expensive to fix it properly, either I'm happy with how it is for study purposes, or I'd rather wait for one in better condition. Better to have 10 good pots than 50 pots that all have some problem or other...
I really like the look of Kintsugi and it's awesome if this is done traditionally. But what's wrong with it if you can replicate this look with JB Weld (much more stable, inexpensive and easier to do it yourself... also non-toxic according to the manufacturer).

The same shape is for sale on ZAG for $400 (with minor chips) and on eBay for about $1200 $1000 (perfect condition) if I remember correctly. That's much more than I am willing to pay for a pretty common F1 shape. ;)

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ZAG: http://zishaartgallery.com/product/%e5% ... %e5%a3%b6/
eBay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/284150516558
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Fri May 28, 2021 10:29 am

@Mark-S if it were so common it wouldn’t be expensive, would it? The fakes are plentiful though…
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Bok wrote:
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Mark-S if it were so common it wouldn’t be expensive, would it? The fakes are plentiful though…
With common I mean you see this shape a lot in auctions (not: common = cheap). I don't know the prices of F1 pots in China.

These pots are not that common, for example. At least where I live.
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Fri May 28, 2021 11:15 am

Mark-S wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 10:44 am
Bok wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 10:29 am
Mark-S if it were so common it wouldn’t be expensive, would it? The fakes are plentiful though…
With common I mean you see this shape a lot in auctions (not: common = cheap). I don't know the prices of F1 pots in China.

These pots are not that common, for example. At least where I live.
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The reason you see them often in auctions is because the real ones are rare and command high prices, so they are commonly faked and the fakes become a common sight. Not affordable for commoners - if they are authentic :lol:
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Fri May 28, 2021 11:30 am

Mark-S wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 10:20 am
I really like the look of Kintsugi and it's awesome if this is done traditionally. But what's wrong with it if you can replicate this look with JB Weld (much more stable, inexpensive and easier to do it yourself... also non-toxic according to the manufacturer).
I doubt you can replicate the same look, JB weld cures much faster and you might not be able to remove excess with turpentine as one can do with urushi. In addition, there is an aesthetic aspect to using traditional methods, much like there is an aesthetic aspect to using old teapots even if they may have some more imperfections than a newly made pot. These are just my personal preferences though, not a general rule :) My recommendation would be to buy a kintsugi kit and try to fix the lid with the traditional method. Not much to do about the body short of sending it to a professional.
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Fri May 28, 2021 10:20 am
The same shape is for sale on ZAG for $400 (with minor chips) and on eBay for about $1200 $1000 (perfect condition) if I remember correctly. That's much more than I am willing to pay for a pretty common F1 shape. ;)

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ZAG: http://zishaartgallery.com/product/%e5% ... %e5%a3%b6/
eBay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/284150516558
I agree, I would not pay those amounts for that pot either, but I would not pay even $50 to buy one that's fixed with glue. Assuming you paid $50-100 for this damage one, you could get a kintsugi kit from Japan for about $100 (there are also low-allergenic ones) and fix the lid well. Plus you can use the kit to fix several pieces.
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