Yixing
I have read on Facebook that you should not drink from blue pots because they used many additives for this color. Maybe the others know more about this.
@bliss you got that one wrong, 60s should not have any mica spots at all. It’s a dead sure give away to be from another period of it has.
@Mark-S Dr Lu has a whole box of these blue and green pots which he says he doesn’t use due to additives. I know other seasoned collectors who own a lot and use them as well...
If you really think about it, then most of the thing in your average super market are much more likely to be the cause of your early death than micro additives which may or may not rub off the clay and may or may not have negative consequences on your health. It seems to be that there is a tendency of Western tea circles to obsess over largely irrelevant things, maybe because they are the little part of the available Yixing market they do actually have some sort of control over?
Is there even any scientific evidence of harmfulness for these additive clays???
In my opinion worrying a out sugar and processed food intake is a much better use of time and ultimately health benefits... worry about barium while munching down on a antibiotic and steroid doped pork sandwich??? You get my drift.
To be fair I used to mention additives and such in the past, before actually start to use some rational thinking instead of blindly repeating what I heard.
@Mark-S Dr Lu has a whole box of these blue and green pots which he says he doesn’t use due to additives. I know other seasoned collectors who own a lot and use them as well...
If you really think about it, then most of the thing in your average super market are much more likely to be the cause of your early death than micro additives which may or may not rub off the clay and may or may not have negative consequences on your health. It seems to be that there is a tendency of Western tea circles to obsess over largely irrelevant things, maybe because they are the little part of the available Yixing market they do actually have some sort of control over?
Is there even any scientific evidence of harmfulness for these additive clays???
In my opinion worrying a out sugar and processed food intake is a much better use of time and ultimately health benefits... worry about barium while munching down on a antibiotic and steroid doped pork sandwich??? You get my drift.
To be fair I used to mention additives and such in the past, before actually start to use some rational thinking instead of blindly repeating what I heard.
+1Bok wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:46 pmbliss you got that one wrong, 60s should not have any mica spots at all. It’s a dead sure give away to be from another period of it has.
Mark-S Dr Lu has a whole box of these blue and green pots which he says he doesn’t use due to additives. I know other seasoned collectors who own a lot and use them as well...
If you really think about it, then most of the thing in your average super market are much more likely to be the cause of your early death than micro additives which may or may not rub off the clay and may or may not have negative consequences on your health. It seems to be that there is a tendency of Western tea circles to obsess over largely irrelevant things, maybe because they are the little part of the available Yixing market they do actually have some sort of control over?
Is there even any scientific evidence of harmfulness for these additive clays???
In my opinion worrying a out sugar and processed food intake is a much better use of time and ultimately health benefits... worry about barium while munching down on a antibiotic and steroid doped pork sandwich??? You get my drift.
To be fair I used to mention additives and such in the past, before actually start to use some rational thinking instead of blindly repeating what I heard.
I wouldn't stress too much about the negative health effects unless it has literally Cadmium and Lead in the pot, which is quite rare, because those two are much more looked after and regulated in China.
What I'd worry about if these any negative effect on the taste of the tea, the teapot makes.
So if you find, that the teapot makes good tea, then it's good. If not and you think it's because of the additives, then it isn't.
good points. theres the chance that drinking out of a non-BPA free water bottle for years could be far more harmful than any particular teapot would be. of course if we can control it we want to but there its quite probable that the amount of microplastic we unkowingly ingest or heavy particles that get into our body just by inhaling modern city traffic air on a hot day if much higher. at least lead isn't hard to test for in higher concentration. also to keep in mind a pot can make tea taste bad and not necessarily be bad for your health. I suppose I should rephrase that a bit in asking more if colored Fang Yuan period pots should be avoided not specifically because of health risks but also was there a significant change in the quality of the clay in order to accommodate coloring at the cost of good clay? Perhaps thats also too hard to say given that 80s clay will be totally different from 70s clay, from 60s, so on.
Super interesting, thanks Bok!
The following two images are from two different sources claiming the clay to be hongni from around the 60s. I will remain silent on where I got the images from, so as not to start a flame war.
Now I'm wondering, does that mean what I'm seeing in these pictures is not mica? Or does it look like mica to others, implying a different provenance than 60s yixing?
In the first picture, I guess it could be wear that shows the inside of some particles that usually just add to the pear-skin like effect? I've seen such things around the lid rim on pots where there may have been sanding or just natural wear.
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@wave_code if I’ve learned one thing about Yixing, it is that there are no definite answers for any of these questions... any period produced good and bad pots, the individual pot will tell. I’d advise to buy what you like and can afford.
While we're on the topic of 60s hong ni... fake, real, or unclear?
Sorry to subject you to a test, @Bok, and likewise to anyone else who responds...
It's mine, so I can take more photos in better light if it assists.
I'll try not to t subject people here to too many more tests like this... Only one more test after this one. Apologies in advance...
Andrew
Sorry to subject you to a test, @Bok, and likewise to anyone else who responds...
It's mine, so I can take more photos in better light if it assists.
I'll try not to t subject people here to too many more tests like this... Only one more test after this one. Apologies in advance...
Andrew
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Can you share more photos of the entire pot and also the inside and under the lid.Andrew S wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:01 amWhile we're on the topic of 60s hong ni... fake, real, or unclear?
Sorry to subject you to a test, Bok, and likewise to anyone else who responds...
It's mine, so I can take more photos in better light if it assists.
I'll try not to t subject people here to too many more tests like this... Only one more test after this one. Apologies in advance...
Andrew
Thx and cheers!!
@OCTO and @Bok: thank you very much; better photos to follow.
Unfortunately I need to wait until the Sun rises all the way down here. However, if my sleep patterns degrade any further, I might try to invest in some good lighting instead.
I'm afraid that I'm just a little self-conscious about 'demanding' requests like this from people like you. I have nothing to offer you in exchange for your kindness, unless you get stranded in Sydney one day.
I'll make sure to post plenty of photos about my other 'mystery' pot in due course... And after that, I'll try to control myself.
Actually, I'm mostly just curious about anything you can say about this pot. I have limited experience with hong ni, so I'm grateful to learn anything that you can offer. The other mystery pot is the one I'm more curious about, but I'll take those photos later...
And @Bok: I'm glad that you can tolerate my dry humour. Thankfully I'm not actually testing anyone against some 'verified' authentication that I'm going to pull out from someone else, regardless of how fun that might be. However, if you do ever tell me to F off, then I hope that the admins read this post first, and realise that that's simply how people in Australia talk to each other.
Andrew
Unfortunately I need to wait until the Sun rises all the way down here. However, if my sleep patterns degrade any further, I might try to invest in some good lighting instead.
I'm afraid that I'm just a little self-conscious about 'demanding' requests like this from people like you. I have nothing to offer you in exchange for your kindness, unless you get stranded in Sydney one day.
I'll make sure to post plenty of photos about my other 'mystery' pot in due course... And after that, I'll try to control myself.
Actually, I'm mostly just curious about anything you can say about this pot. I have limited experience with hong ni, so I'm grateful to learn anything that you can offer. The other mystery pot is the one I'm more curious about, but I'll take those photos later...
And @Bok: I'm glad that you can tolerate my dry humour. Thankfully I'm not actually testing anyone against some 'verified' authentication that I'm going to pull out from someone else, regardless of how fun that might be. However, if you do ever tell me to F off, then I hope that the admins read this post first, and realise that that's simply how people in Australia talk to each other.
Andrew
Are these your pots?bliss wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:35 amSuper interesting, thanks Bok!
The following two images are from two different sources claiming the clay to be hongni from around the 60s. I will remain silent on where I got the images from, so as not to start a flame war.
Now I'm wondering, does that mean what I'm seeing in these pictures is not mica? Or does it look like mica to others, implying a different provenance than 60s yixing?
In the first picture, I guess it could be wear that shows the inside of some particles that usually just add to the pear-skin like effect? I've seen such things around the lid rim on pots where there may have been sanding or just natural wear.
