Yixing

[Bok]

Ya. If google says it, must be right google is probably accounting for people’s mistyping.

If anything Lü would be another correct way to spell it. The Chinese pronunciation for both colour and name are closer to the German Ü than the English U. Which is maybe where the confusion is coming from...

[Chadrinkincat]

Ya. If google says it, must be right google is probably accounting for people’s mistyping.

If anything Lü would be another correct way to spell it. The Chinese pronunciation for both colour and name are closer to the German Ü than the English U. Which is maybe where the confusion is coming from...

“ Lü is the standard pinyin spelling of the Chinese character 吕/呂. However, when input of the umlaut is not possible, the surname is commonly romanized as Lu or Lv (v being the pinyin input shorthand for ü).[4] On 31 October 2011, the National Standardization Committee of China issued The Chinese phonetic alphabet spelling rules for Chinese names, which stipulates that Lü should be spelled Lyu in such situation. The rule came into effect on 1 February 2012.[4][5] In Cantonese the name is commonly romanized as Lui.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lü_(sur ... manization

[Bok]

Ha! Did not know that! Case closed.

With the exception of Dr Lu, as Taiwan has their own (inconsistent and often illogical) rules in terms of romanisation.

[Mark-S]

Poor Duanni would be sad, if that'd be a proper representation of duanni.

Duanni shouldn't have a dull sound neither.

Ok, it did not know that. Hopefully, I can switch it for a real one soon. I have seen a picture of the genuine version in the Facebook group. I'll have to compare the clays later. However, on pictures it does not look that different sometimes. At least I have not paid this much:

[Bok]

@Mark-S if that is a 19th century teapot then... No way this is from that period. Clay colour, style, all wrong. If you paid 10$ for it, that's more like what it's worth, probably not even that.

[Bok]

DailyTX
Yeah, that's right. He's got fair prices. Without the shipping/taxes I would have bought some teapots from him already. I am not searching for a particular shape. There are some styles I like more than others, but the clay is more important for me. "black star clay" and Duanni/Lüni are on my wishlist right now.

Youzi
This teapot cost me less than $10. Is it that bad? I know that the craftsmanship is not good, but I just wanted a reference for Duanni.

Junk pots shouldn’t be used as a reference for clay type.

Agree here, your thinking is well off here: A rubbish, doubtful clay pot will only be exactly that – a doubtful, inaccurate reference. If you wanted a proper reference it should be the purest, most representative of its kind. Ideal processing and firing, pure source. The only aspect you could scale back is the workmanship. Everything else is just a waste of money and space.

For example: I got one modern Zhuni in very pure clay. It serves as my point of reference to compare with older Zhuni, wich is mostly blended with other things and never pure.

[Mark-S]

I consider the money a tuition fee. I had never heard of cadogan pots before, and I only knew that the craftsmanship of this pot is bad not the clay.

[Bok]

I consider the money a tuition fee. I had never heard of cadogan pots before, and I only knew that the craftsmanship of this pot is bad not the clay.

Tuition fee is fine and a given for such a confusing and vast topic as Yixing. All I am saying is the money could be spent wiser

[Mark-S]

Yeah, this teapot was one of my first. I would not buy this teapot again because of the crappy craftsmanship. I think most of the time the clay is bad when the craftsmanship is (that) bad.

[Youzi]

I have a Duanni from late Qing/Roc with Tuhei, which I had posted a while ago in here. It is rather common in antiques. It doesn’t bother me, but a lot of collectors are afraid their pot will have it. Spots tend to come and go a bit, it was more obvious in the beginning of usage with mine, now it’s less apparent.

And I wonder since when people start confusing V and U? Poor Dr Lu‘s Name has been mistreated like this for a while and now the clay as well... ?

People don't have ü。on their keyboard. So they just use u or v instead, and then get confused.

The most correct way of spelling would be with ü, using u would be incorrect, because it could mean tottally other things, the second best option if people are lazy is typing v instead.

Actually If you use the Chinese pinyin keyboard on iOS. And hold down the V key, then you can type ü。

[faj]

For example: I got one modern Zhuni in very pure clay.

Would you care to explain where/how you found this pot and built confidence it was pure clay?

[Mark-S]

I have got two teapots with the same style (Yu Hua Long), and one of them is a fake teapot in my opinion. Both teapots are made of "black star clay" (at least I think so). The answer is probably yes, but has this type of clay mix ever been copied?

[Bok]

Would you care to explain where/how you found this pot and built confidence it was pure clay?

I got it from a very experienced and knowledgeable collector. No commercial interest at work, it was given to me with exactly that in mind: as a reference.

[Youzi]

I have got two teapots with the same style (Yu Hua Long), and one of them is a fake teapot in my opinion. Both teapots are made of "black star clay" (at least I think so). The answer is probably yes, but has this type of clay mix ever been copied?

Checked a little for you. So far it seems that black star clay, 黑星土, is zini mixed with manganese oxide, and maybe some chromium oxide.

Seems like it was created to imitate the "Legendary" Tian Qing Ni, 天青泥。

[Mark-S]

@Youzi

Thanks Sounds like it's easy to fake. I guess the teapot is a fake then. The genuine F1 teapots I own have a very very good craftsmanship and this one does not. The lid fit is very bad and the decorations are sloppy made.