Yixing

[Youzi]

Youzi
Chadrinkincat

Okay, I was asking because the same pots are sold on eBay right now, and I do not have a Zhuni or Benshan Lvni teapot yet. Maybe they will be sold for very little money. But if the original seller is lying about the material, I will better take a pass on these. Thanks a lot.

The material could be Waishan ni (外山泥), which would make the material cheap, and students are not payed, so there wouldn't be a "working fee neither".

[Chadrinkincat]

@Mark-S

I wouldn’t take claims about clay too serious.

[Bok]

Youzi
Chadrinkincat

Okay, I was asking because the same pots are sold on eBay right now, and I do not have a Zhuni or Benshan Lvni teapot yet. Maybe they will be sold for very little money. But if the original seller is lying about the material, I will better take a pass on these. Thanks a lot.

I think in a case like this it is more likely the seller has no clue and is just repeating what he/she was told... after all it’s a Tee Kenner, not a Yixing Kenner

That Duanni looks way too yellow to me...

[mafoofan]

Let’s open another can of worms: so-called “da hong pao” clay.

My understanding is that the composition if the historical da hong pao has been forgotten or lost. So what qualifies as “legitimate” da hong pao today? Zhuni that happens to fire particularly red? A manually refined version of zhuni? Or something else? I’ve heard from one source that, unlike zhuni, da hong poa ore is red even in its raw form.

Can anyone educate?

[OCTO]

Let’s open another can of worms: so-called “da hong pao” clay.

My understanding is that the composition if the historical da hong pao has been forgotten or lost. So what qualifies as “legitimate” da hong pao today? Zhuni that happens to fire particularly red? A manually refined version of zhuni? Or something else? I’ve heard from one source that, unlike zhuni, da hong poa ore is red even in its raw form.

Can anyone educate?

.... drum roll!!!!!!!......

Let the fun begin!!...

Cheers!!!

[Mark-S]

@mafoofan
I guess you have already read this thread?

https://www.teachat.com/viewtopic.php?t=20125

@Youzi
Thanks for this information. If the clay would be genuine Hongni, Zhuni or Duanni not so good craftsmanship would not be a problem at all. But if this is impossible for the low price, I better take a pass on these pots, since the clay is my number one priority.

@Bok
@Chadrinkincat
It's possible that the information came directly from the craftswoman. If she is not honest about the clay, I do not trust her. And I do not like the thought of having chemicals in my tea (I know that's unlikely).

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@Chadrinkincat
Here's a new pot I bought (only for decoration). It looks similar to yours. No questions about this pot, I just want to show it.

[Simniak]

Hello guys, what do you think about this teapot? I thought it is handmade but one of my friends said that the connections look weird. What do you think?

[Youzi]

Let’s open another can of worms: so-called “da hong pao” clay.

My understanding is that the composition if the historical da hong pao has been forgotten or lost. So what qualifies as “legitimate” da hong pao today? Zhuni that happens to fire particularly red? A manually refined version of zhuni? Or something else? I’ve heard from one source that, unlike zhuni, da hong poa ore is red even in its raw form.

Can anyone educate?

The original Da Hong Pao is Da Hong Ni. Which is a kind of Hong Ni from Da Shui Tan Mining area. The original ore has a red color, not yellow, so it's made of Hematite iron particles. DST got flooded at the beginning of the 20th century, and now it's a public pond, south of HLS.

Modern DHP is a special grade, selection of Zhuni, which has higher iron content. Zhuni ore is Yellow, so made of Goethite iron particles, and opposed to Hongni, it quickly disintegrates in water. The firing temp of DHP Zhuni is exactly 1080 C. Compared to normal Zhuni, DHP Zhuni has a maroon color, instead of reddish orange.

In the worse case modern DHP, is some random clay doped with iron red powder, added iron oxide, and Glass Water.

[Bok]

Hello guys, what do you think about this teapot? I thought it is handmade but one of my friends said that the connections look weird. What do you think?

I think the shiny clay is the weird part... is it that red??? Colour looks too intense, but it could be the light. Handmade parts look a tiny bit like it has been done on purpose to look like handmade. Not sure.

[Youzi]

Hello guys, what do you think about this teapot? I thought it is handmade but one of my friends said that the connections look weird. What do you think?

I think the shiny clay is the weird part... is it that red??? Colour looks too intense, but it could be the light. Handmade parts look a tiny bit like it has been done on purpose to look like handmade. Not sure.

Regarding the lines, I have the same thought. Definitely not modern construction methods were used in this one. You know more than me regarding previous techniques, so have you ever seen something like that?

Modern zhuni is usually made more shiny, by "polishing" scraping the surface of the pot in its pre-fired phase.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9dVBhAgiZG ... 52omizoku5

The color is a bit hard for me to judge because of the light.

Have you seen such sloppy technique used in early full hand pots?

[mafoofan]

The original Da Hong Pao is Da Hong Ni. Which is a kind of Hong Ni from Da Shui Tan Mining area. The original ore has a red color, not yellow, so it's made of Hematite iron particles. DST got flooded at the beginning of the 20th century, and now it's a public pond, south of HLS.

Modern DHP is a special grade, selection of Zhuni, which has higher iron content. Zhuni ore is Yellow, so made of Goethite iron particles, and opposed to Hongni, it quickly disintegrates in water. The firing temp of DHP Zhuni is exactly 1080 C. Compared to normal Zhuni, DHP Zhuni has a maroon color, instead of reddish orange.

In the worse case modern DHP, is some random clay doped with iron red powder, added iron oxide, and Glass Water.

How does the modern DHP compare to the original Da Hong Ni?

[Chadrinkincat]

@Mark-S
No point owning lots of cheap pots for the sake of having a specific clay that in this case looks mediocre at best. Yichen offers a variety of clays which seem to have better clay/finish than the ones from your link.

This ROC pot looks like a sibling to mine.

[Chadrinkincat]

Hello guys, what do you think about this teapot? I thought it is handmade but one of my friends said that the connections look weird. What do you think?

I think the shiny clay is the weird part... is it that red??? Colour looks too intense, but it could be the light. Handmade parts look a tiny bit like it has been done on purpose to look like handmade. Not sure.

I had same thoughts about the interior too.

[Simniak]

I was taking the pictures of inside with flash on. So another fake teapot.....I was thinking I finally found the right pot for my yancha. Whatever I will use my bizen instead

[Mark-S]

Mark-S
No point owning lots of cheap pots for the sake of having a specific clay that in this case looks mediocre at best. Yichen offers a variety of clays which seem to have better clay/finish than the ones from your link.

This ROC pot looks like a sibling to mine.

I hoped that I could use them to compare their impact on tea before I buy anything much more expensive. Duanni and Zhuni are difficult to find. Especially if you do not want to pay much.

Yeah, the painting is nice. What a pity you cannot drink tea from it. I hope to learn more from it about antique pots.