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Fri Jul 02, 2021 10:52 pm

@zeeg as far as I understand it, some mica and iron spots is always a possibility, but it depends on how many and if other factors make a fake a possibility, when it becomes an additional question mark.

Any additional step in processing is time and money, why bother if you’re only shelling out replicas? Worth noting that of course earlier replicas did not pay attention to all the details as they do now.
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Fri Jul 02, 2021 10:54 pm

@zeeg just noticed: most 90s Hongni I come across is actually more orange than red, earlier looks redder.
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The master has spoken.... :D :D
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The master has spoken.... :D :D
Master of scratching the surface haha
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Bok wrote:
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zeeg just noticed: most 90s Hongni I come across is actually more orange than red, earlier looks redder.
Ahh yes. I should have specified, modern non-F1 hongni. I have a white label and laser label pot that are indeed more orange. Thanks again for the education. The clay (aside from iron and mica in the base) and workmanship on the pot seems fairly nice. Kudos to the forger.
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Sat Jul 03, 2021 5:35 am

For reference, this is the ZAG 60s pot that has some, but not a lot of mica in the base.
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zeeg wrote:
Sat Jul 03, 2021 5:35 am
For reference, this is the ZAG 60s pot that has some, but not a lot of mica in the base.
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Yeah that is acceptable :)
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Sat Jun 26, 2021 6:18 pm
If you decide to keep it, post a photo when it’s clean ;)
I've spend a lot of time searching for similar 🐿️ pots, but haven't found anything close yet. Another collector told me that the carving of the other pot could be the work of a carving master from ROC period (缶石,任淦庭), who lived from 1889 to 1968, ... but I could not find more information about the maker (宜興友廷). In about two weeks (when it's clean) I can post more photos. I've decided to keep both. ;)
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To be honest... in my opinion my pot looks better. But maybe this one was made by a famous potter or something like that... I don't know :)

http://zishaartgallery.com/product/%e7% ... b3-za0164/
Yours is definitely nicer.
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Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:30 pm
Mark-S went squirrel 🐿 hunting. Nice catch!
Thank you :) I hope to find more information about it some day. Unfortunately, there is no maker's mark on this pot. There's only an unfinished character under the lid (德).
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Mark-S wrote:
Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:03 pm
DailyTX wrote:
Sat Jun 26, 2021 6:18 pm
If you decide to keep it, post a photo when it’s clean ;)
I've spend a lot of time searching for similar 🐿️ pots, but haven't found anything close yet. Another collector told me that the carving of the other pot could be the work of a carving master from ROC period (缶石,任淦庭), who lived from 1889 to 1968, ... but I could not find more information about the maker (宜興友廷). In about two weeks (when it's clean) I can post more photos. I've decided to keep both. ;)
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Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:17 pm
Mark-S wrote:
Sat Jun 26, 2021 4:58 pm
To be honest... in my opinion my pot looks better. But maybe this one was made by a famous potter or something like that... I don't know :)

http://zishaartgallery.com/product/%e7% ... b3-za0164/
Yours is definitely nicer.
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Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:30 pm
Mark-S went squirrel 🐿 hunting. Nice catch!
Thank you :) I hope to find more information about it some day. Unfortunately, there is no maker's mark on this pot. There's only an unfinished character under the lid (德).
As far as I know, 宜興友廷 is the mark of Shao Youting (邵友廷) (https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E9%82%B5% ... B%E5%BB%B7), craftsman of the late Qing dynasty, who was step-father of Cheng Shouzhen. I hope this helps!
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@Mark-S
More pots the better 🥳
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As far as I know, 宜興友廷 is the mark of Shao Youting (邵友廷) (https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E9%82%B5% ... B%E5%BB%B7), craftsman of the late Qing dynasty, who was step-father of Cheng Shouzhen. I hope this helps!
Thanks :) but my guess is that this is a different potter with the same name as seal. The Tongzhi Emperor's reign (when Shao Youting lived) was until 1875. Ren Ganting (缶石,任淦庭) was born in 1889 and many pots with the 宜興友廷 seal are sold as ROC.

What do you think?
Most of the utensils made by Shao Youting are covered with the oval-shaped positive seal of the word "You Ting".
On my pot is a square seal. 🤔

Same potter but the carving on my pot is better: http://www.gucn.com/Service_CurioStall_ ... riceRecord
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Mark-S
More pots the better 🥳
I've posted the 🐿️ pot on Facebook and got two requests from people who want to buy it. So if I change my mind about this pot I can sell it very easily.

This squirrel pot has a value of more than $17000 according to a Chinese website, but I don't think the value of my pot is anywhere near this. :lol:
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steanze wrote:
Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:18 pm
As far as I know, 宜興友廷 is the mark of Shao Youting (邵友廷) (https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E9%82%B5% ... B%E5%BB%B7), craftsman of the late Qing dynasty, who was step-father of Cheng Shouzhen. I hope this helps!
Thanks :) but my guess is that this is a different potter with the same name as seal. The Tongzhi Emperor's reign (when Shao Youting lived) was until 1875. Ren Ganting (缶石,任淦庭) was born in 1889 and many pots with the 宜興友廷 seal are sold as ROC.

What do you think?
Most of the utensils made by Shao Youting are covered with the oval-shaped positive seal of the word "You Ting".
On my pot is a square seal. 🤔

Same potter but the carving on my pot is better: http://www.gucn.com/Service_CurioStall_ ... riceRecord
DailyTX wrote:
Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:13 pm
Mark-S
More pots the better 🥳
I've posted the 🐿️ pot on Facebook and got two requests from people who want to buy it. So if I change my mind about this pot I can sell it very easily.

This squirrel pot has a value of more than $17000 according to a Chinese website, but I don't think the value of my pot is anywhere near this. :lol:
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Youting has other seals as well besides the oval seal. But I agree that your papaya pot is more recent than 1875.
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Youting has other seals as well besides the oval seal. But I agree that your papaya pot is more recent than 1875.
Unfortunately, the information you can find online about antique Yixing teapots is often very vague. I've found a collector with many books about antique Yixing teapots. I hope that he can lend me his books for a while so that I can make digital copies for myself. Unfortunately, he's a tough nut to crack... but I'm working on it. :D Maybe there is more information in one of his books about my two pots.

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Why are Ju Lun Zhu (巨輪珠) pots so popular? Because they are often in good condition and not as expensive as other antique Yixing teapots? The shape looks nice but the lid seems to be very difficult to handle.
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Why are Ju Lun Zhu (巨輪珠) pots so popular? Because they are often in good condition and not as expensive as other antique Yixing teapots? The shape looks nice but the lid seems to be very difficult to handle.
Julunzhu is a rather large group of pots which can look very different to each other. The one you are referring to is actually not too difficult to handle with the right technique.

Why are they popular? I guess the simple shape appeals to many, but also the “mad hutter tea cult” made them popular by writing about land using them… especially the ones with heart sutra on them.

Personally I find religious texts on ordinary everyday use objects a bit questionable.
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Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:28 pm

Mark-S wrote:
Sat Jul 03, 2021 5:52 pm

Why are Ju Lun Zhu (巨輪珠) pots so popular? Because they are often in good condition and not as expensive as other antique Yixing teapots? The shape looks nice but the lid seems to be very difficult to handle.
No idea :D it's a current western market phenomenon. The cannon spout is convenient and the shape is nice and simple, but it's a mystery to me why they are so sought after over other shapes in the western market. The lid is ok to handle though, some designs have a typical lid knob, and the ones that don't usually have the lid that sits on the body in a way that makes it easy to pick up the lid from the sides.
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