Yeah... that's the problem.
So when there's a name on the handle the pot was made after 1976?
Yixing
I would think(don't know
) probably a bit later than that, takes time for people to change behaviour and be confident that they won't get into trouble for that.
No. There is no definitive documented data that suggest that a name on the handle denotes it's made after 1976. The workmanship and clay points towards 1990s. I won't call it a fake or a replica... but rather a vintage remake done in the 1990s. In the world of Yixing... words like fake and replica is very often misinterpreted.
Therefore, I'll call it a remake... hahahaha..... welcome to the confusing world of Yixing!!
Cheers!!
I still get confused at times... more so when desire overcomes logic.... hahahaha... It happens.... LOL
I think you misunderstood me, or would it be possible to find a F1 teapot... let's say from 1970 with the artists name on the handle? Assuming that the potter did not have suicidal tendencies when he/she made the pot.
Looks like an interesting discussion on stamps/chops. I was looking at F1 stamps a month or two ago, and I found some Chinese articles saying names of artist were used as stamps/chops to replace zhongguo yixing and mengchen started after mid 1980s due to influence by import regulations in Taiwan. I wonder if anyone owns a green label F1 pot, plain or decorative with artist name as stamps/chops?OCTO wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:50 pmNo. There is no definitive documented data that suggest that a name on the handle denotes it's made after 1976. The workmanship and clay points towards 1990s. I won't call it a fake or a replica... but rather a vintage remake done in the 1990s. In the world of Yixing... words like fake and replica is very often misinterpreted.
Therefore, I'll call it a remake... hahahaha..... welcome to the confusing world of Yixing!!
Cheers!!
@Mark-S
Ah yes... I misunderstood you. Apologies.
There may be some that could have gone under the radar and left undetected. I have came across them as well. Therefore, collectors often don't use that as an indicator of age or vintage.
Cheers!
@DailyTX
I am not sure about this pot, but it has a green label sticker AND an unusual seal on the bottom of the pot. However, I do not know if it's the artists name or something else.
viewtopic.php?p=21054#p21054
Unfortunately, no one could answer me if this pot is genuine or not. I have seen a similar one, but it could also be a fake.
I am not sure about this pot, but it has a green label sticker AND an unusual seal on the bottom of the pot. However, I do not know if it's the artists name or something else.
viewtopic.php?p=21054#p21054
Unfortunately, no one could answer me if this pot is genuine or not. I have seen a similar one, but it could also be a fake.
@Mark-S
Names/numbers under the lid are common. I was hoping to see if any seniors collected pots from 1982-1984-5ish with artist’s name as stamp on the base.
DailyTX wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:19 am
Looks like an interesting discussion on stamps/chops. I was looking at F1 stamps a month or two ago, and I found some Chinese articles saying names of artist were used as stamps/chops to replace zhongguo yixing and mengchen started after mid 1980s due to influence by import regulations in Taiwan. I wonder if anyone owns a green label F1 pot, plain or decorative with artist name as stamps/chops?
@DailyTX
Very interesting question! Again... I've seen both..... BUT... here is where it get's tricky and extremely confusing. We know that in the 80s there is a sudden surge in Yixing clay pot demand from Taiwan. Many collectors and tea merchants from Taiwan took samples of GreenLabel F1 pots back to F1 China and requested them to be made in large quantities. Some added their own preferred designs. Do bear in mind that this is an era where in China, you can have anything made / remade as long as u have the cash.
1. There are pots seen in Taiwan that was never seen in at the other ends of the globe. Not even in Asia. It was when travel was made easy, you start to see Taiwan-Market Yixing pots start to surface in countries outside of Taiwan.
2. Export teapots to Japan, Taiwan and Thailand all bears different key workmanship signatures aside from the main workmanship signatures. There are some pots that we see here and branded as "FAKE" (due to lack of knowledge and documentation), are actually authentic when more collectors stood up and documented their findings. I have personally mistook a Japanese export pot to be a FAKE because I have never seen such a pot design. Only until I managed to cross reference with a collector friend with knowledge of Japanese export pots, only was I able fully understand what I mistook as a fake.
3. I have a very nice pear shape pot from late 70s to 80s with a seal that bears the name of the artist. It was intended as a Taiwan export model and was never seen inside F1 catalogues and never seen in local tea stores.
It's all a journey... made easier with the internet.
Cheers!!
@Mark-S
Did you post this pot earlier? Maybe a few more photos would satisfy my eyes
I just zoomed in on the clay texture, it looks too clean (lack of impurities) for green label. Other people like Bok or Chadrinkincat would be better candidates to ask for authenticity.