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Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:39 am

@Mark-S certainly is. Also it is not an early teapot for sure, what they mainly discuss is 1970-80 backwards to the 50s.

Standard styles only. I guess they wanted to contain the flood of rubbish pots being posted there. Sadly most of the decorated ones fall into that category, even more fakes than for the simple ones. Maybe because mainstream likes ornaments?
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Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:12 am

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Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:39 am
Mark-S certainly is. Also it is not an early teapot for sure, what they mainly discuss is 1970-80 backwards to the 50s.

Standard styles only. I guess they wanted to contain the flood of rubbish pots being posted there. Sadly most of the decorated ones fall into that category, even more fakes than for the simple ones. Maybe because mainstream likes ornaments?
Since I cannot ask in the Facebook group: What do you think of the teapot? Is a teapot with this style and neiziwaihong easy/inexpensive to make? I thought that this technique (neiziwaihong) would be an indicator for late 70's to 80's pots. Apparently, I am wrong with this assumption.

Yes, especially in the West, standard style teapots are less popular. With much efford, I now have two from F1. The decorated ones are not that hard to find. And I do not think that there are many fakes in Europe, but this could change quickly. More and more people are buying things directly from China these days.
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Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:25 am

@Mark-S there are many fakes in general, which doesn’t make it less likely to appear in Europe. I’d bet that there are more fakes than real ones!

Can’t really say much about your pot, nowadays any style is easy to make! You can use moulds and then hand finish, not many will notice the difference if it’s done right, and there many talented people in China...

I find it strange in general to see a NZWH in an ornamented pot? Mostly one comes across the simpler styles. Elaborate pots are mainly done in Zini as this clay is better to work with for complicated designs.

Also it is normal to look less red than brown as the Zini underneath might come through, even more so with use.
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Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:49 am

Bok wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:25 am
Mark-S there are many fakes in general, which doesn’t make it less likely to appear in Europe. I’d bet that there are more fakes than real ones!

Can’t really say much about your pot, nowadays any style is easy to make! You can use moulds and then hand finish, not many will notice the difference if it’s done right, and there many talented people in China...

I find it strange in general to see a NZWH in an ornamented pot? Mostly one comes across the simpler styles. Elaborate pots are mainly done in Zini as this clay is better to work with for complicated designs.

Also it is normal to look less red than brown as the Zini underneath might come through, even more so with use.
Not strange but probably somewhat less common. My one late 80’s example of nzwh
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Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:54 am

@Bok
I always skip the Chinese items on eBay. Most of them are made to look old. Maybe there are also genuine ones, but I think 99% are just fakes. Maybe, it is different if you buy them in China or another Asian country.

The clay looks good in my opinion, and I like the style. I think I will just try it and see if it makes good tea.

Yeah, really strange. But Chadrinkincat seems to be right. I compared multiple pics of neiziwaihong pots with this one and they really look similar.

That makes sense. Thanks

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That's also neiziwaihong? :o I would not have guessed that. I still have much to learn when it comes to different kinds of clay.
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Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:03 am

@Mark-S

The color of the handle/spout Is the base color. Main body is coated red.

Chinese items on eBay?
100% of the vintage or high value stuff that ships from China is fake.
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Ah, now I see it. Interesting!
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Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:31 pm

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Bok
I always skip the Chinese items on eBay. Most of them are made to look old. Maybe there are also genuine ones, but I think 99% are just fakes. Maybe, it is different if you buy them in China or another Asian country.
Your analysis matches my experience buying yixing through eBay :D , brings back memories when I first got into zisha. Now days, with a bit more experience, once a while I would encounter vintage pots through eBay, but mostly 90s to 2000s onward. Even those 90s onward pots, people still throw so much money at them to the point of not worth bidding and cleaning.
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Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:56 pm

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Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:31 pm
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Bok
I always skip the Chinese items on eBay. Most of them are made to look old. Maybe there are also genuine ones, but I think 99% are just fakes. Maybe, it is different if you buy them in China or another Asian country.
Your analysis matches my experience buying yixing through eBay :D , brings back memories when I first got into zisha. Now days, with a bit more experience, once a while I would encounter vintage pots through eBay, but mostly 90s to 2000s onward. Even those 90s onward pots, people still throw so much money at them to the point of not worth bidding and cleaning.
EBay is no longer a terrible place for vintage pots now that I’ve listed a few pots.

http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200 ... olid=11111
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DailyTX wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:31 pm
Even those 90s onward pots, people still throw so much money at them to the point of not worth bidding and cleaning.
I don't get why people still look out so much for pots from that era... 80-15 were the worst years of the industry.
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Chadrinkincat wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:56 pm
EBay is no longer a terrible place for vintage pots now that I’ve listed a few pots.

http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200 ... olid=11111
It still is terrible! Because it doesn't show what you are selling. :lol:
(Seriously, i click on your link for the pot you're selling, then i click on your profile and list the items you're selling, and voila: it's not there! :lol: You're not the only one. I've noticed this before with other sellers...)
Sorry for this digression, i don't want to drag this thread off topic.
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@Baisao

Wind Glaze/Flower Glaze/Flower Mud/Flower Pot/花泥 == Efflorescence:

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Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:23 pm

.m. wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:02 pm
Chadrinkincat wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:56 pm
EBay is no longer a terrible place for vintage pots now that I’ve listed a few pots.

http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200 ... olid=11111
It still is terrible! Because it doesn't show what you are selling. :lol:
(Seriously, i click on your link for the pot you're selling, then i click on your profile and list the items you're selling, and voila: it's not there! :lol: You're not the only one. I've noticed this before with other sellers...)
Sorry for this digression, i don't want to drag this thread off topic.
😂 eBay has a nasty habit of delaying listings.
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Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:33 pm

Youzi wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:02 pm
DailyTX wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:31 pm
Even those 90s onward pots, people still throw so much money at them to the point of not worth bidding and cleaning.
I don't get why people still look out so much for pots from that era... 80-15 were the worst years of the industry.
Probably 3 main reason for this in the west.

1. The belief that vintage clay is better than modern stuff.

2. Less access to pre 77 stuff and unwillingness to pay $500+ when one pops up

3. Most of all late 70-90’s pots in the sizes and shapes people want are available for $80-$200.
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Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:04 pm

@Youzi, thanks! I totally forgot I asked you about that.

So is the key characteristic the rough looking patch on the glaze?
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