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				Expanding the lid's hole?
				Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:38 am
				by ShuShu
				I have two shuipings that are exactly the same except that one pours almost 5 seconds faster. The difference between them is in the hole on the lid. The air on the one with the fast pour runs much faster and it is slightly bigger. I have been thinking about trying to expand the hole on the one that purs slower a little bit using something like this (1mm Diamond Grinding Burr Drill Bit).
Have anyone here tried something like this? does it make sense?
https://www.amazon.com/MoMark-2-35mm-Ta ... B07141MQD2 
			 
			
					
				Re: Expanding the lid's hole?
				Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:56 am
				by Victoria
				I have heard of members here and previously at TC using diamond tip drill bits on irregular filters, very carefully and gingerly. A simple search like this 
https://www.teachat.com/viewtopic.php?f ... ll#p210394 
			 
			
					
				Re: Expanding the lid's hole?
				Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:17 pm
				by OldWaysTea
				
In that thread one message commented on the difficulty finding a file small enough for some holes. Diamond wire coping saws are available in various thicknesses, and might work well for this application.
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Expanding the lid's hole?
				Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:55 pm
				by .m.
				Possible but risky. i'd probably file it by hand, rather than using dremel. 
(btw. i suppose you tried swapping the lids to test that the obstacle lies indeed in the lid.  

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				Re: Expanding the lid's hole?
				Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:56 pm
				by .m.
				fyi
(i hope it's ok to post here somebody else's post)
			 
			
					
				Re: Expanding the lid's hole?
				Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:12 pm
				by ShuShu
				.m. wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:55 pm
Possible but risky. i'd probably file it by hand, rather than using dremel. 
(btw. i suppose you tried swapping the lids to test that the obstacle lies indeed in the lid.  

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Of course, only by hand... and yes I got to this conclusion by swapping the lids 

 
			 
			
					
				Re: Expanding the lid's hole?
				Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:31 pm
				by pedant
				I would also discourage power tools. 
I've successfully cleaned up and enlarged a lid hole using jeweler's needle files (the needle/conical shaped one is best). Working very slowly and gently. If it binds up, never force it. Gently work it free and continue with less pressure. 
edit: those look kind of rough. here is a picture of the actual ones i have:
they're diamond needle files from harbor freight.
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Expanding the lid's hole?
				Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:45 pm
				by ShuShu
				pedant wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:31 pm
I would also discourage power tools. 
I've successfully cleaned up and enlarged a lid hole using jeweler's needle files (the needle/conical shaped one is best). Working very slowly and gently. If it binds up, never force it. Gently work it free and continue with less pressure. 
 
Thank you very much.
Though those in the pic look quite large. These are the ones you used? I’m trying to find something less than 1mm
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Expanding the lid's hole?
				Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:27 pm
				by Chadrinkincat
				ShuShu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:45 pm
pedant wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:31 pm
I would also discourage power tools. 
I've successfully cleaned up and enlarged a lid hole using jeweler's needle files (the needle/conical shaped one is best). Working very slowly and gently. If it binds up, never force it. Gently work it free and continue with less pressure. 
 
Thank you very much.
Though those in the pic look quite large. These are the ones you used? I’m trying to find something less than 1mm
 
The A & silver set comes with .8mm 
Not sure why you'd need something smaller. I just measured my pots and all of them could handle larger bits. Start from underside of lid if hole is tapered.
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Expanding the lid's hole?
				Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:02 pm
				by Chadrinkincat
				
			 
			
					
				Re: Expanding the lid's hole?
				Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:26 pm
				by ShuShu
				
Thanks
Iv got something coming from Amazon 2morrow and will report back
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Expanding the lid's hole?
				Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:57 pm
				by Stephen
				I've used those type of files for lid holes. My suggestion is to have bowl of water handy, soak the lid and always keep the hole wet while filing. I go in a gentle circular motion (spinning the file back and forth between fingers.) Also go from inside to outside, that way if you chip the edge of the hole (where the wider part of the file touches) it will be on the inside and not the outside. Don't file any more than you need to for a good pour!
			 
			
					
				Re: Expanding the lid's hole?
				Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:39 pm
				by ShuShu
				Success!
I only used my hands (no power tools) and it took an hour or so, but now it pours like a champ - from 13 sec to 10 sec. not bad for 120ml shuiping
			 
			
					
				Re: Expanding the lid's hole?
				Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:46 pm
				by ShuShu
				I wonder whether it can get even better if I keep going... 

 
			 
			
					
				Re: Expanding the lid's hole?
				Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:26 pm
				by Stephen
				ShuShu wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:46 pm
I wonder whether it can get even better if I keep going... 
 
Just do enough to get the hole clear and the size it was meant to be. Risk of damage increases the more you mess with it! But, of course, do whatever you want  
