Recommend loose leaf raw puer storage

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26uk
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Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:48 pm

I'm looking to store some loose leaf raw puer. Accidentally bought too much for current storage.

Need about 700g of storage, could be one big container or a few smaller ones. Something nondescript would be nice. Maybe a clay jar. Not too small that a boveda pack won't fit.

Thank you ahead of time :)
DailyTX
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Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:56 pm

Any glass container will work. If you plan to drink them, I may even consider a zip lock bag :lol:
26uk
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Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:59 pm

DailyTX wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:56 pm
Any glass container will work. If you plan to drink them, I may even consider a zip lock bag :lol:
Because without something air tight like a zip lock bag, the tea will go "bad" with the dry conditions?
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Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:51 pm

26uk wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:59 pm
DailyTX wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:56 pm
Any glass container will work. If you plan to drink them, I may even consider a zip lock bag :lol:
Because without something air tight like a zip lock bag, the tea will go "bad" with the dry conditions?
Depended on your climate. Zip lock bag can help to keep moisture inside if you are in a dry climate. For 700grams of tea, that will last me about 100 sessions. That’s about 3-4 months of tea. Not worth the time and resource to invest in storage. If you are planning to collect more and age your tea, that’s a different case. Members have posted various tea aging method in this forum.
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Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:36 pm

DailyTX wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:51 pm
26uk wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:59 pm
DailyTX wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:56 pm
Any glass container will work. If you plan to drink them, I may even consider a zip lock bag :lol:
Because without something air tight like a zip lock bag, the tea will go "bad" with the dry conditions?
Depended on your climate. Zip lock bag can help to keep moisture inside if you are in a dry climate. For 700grams of tea, that will last me about 100 sessions. That’s about 3-4 months of tea. Not worth the time and resource to invest in storage. If you are planning to collect more and age your tea, that’s a different case. Members have posted various tea aging method in this forum.
Agree with @DailyTX. Depending on your local climate, I would usually keep my loose leaves in a porcelain or aluminium jar with a layer of calligraphy paper lining the insides of the jar. The paper acts as a filter to filter off unwanted smell and maintain humidity. Not sure if this would work under your local climate. I would avoid direct sunlight.... hence glass is a no go for me.

Cheers!
26uk
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Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:40 pm

Why the paper if it's already in a porcelain or metal jar?

And is it calligraphy rice paper? It looks porous compared to say wax paper?

Im in nor cal which is dry.
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Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:54 pm

I'm looking to move a lot of teas right now to canisters from zip packs or and plastic bags, probably going with a bunch of the generic square-ish alu tins for bricks and loose or tuo type teas in round canisters with extra internal lids. everything will be lined with paper though too.

For paper lining I can think of a few reasons... for one while jars will be tins are folded metal, so they still aren't totally air tight and how much or little exchange or moisture loss there is will depend on the tin's construction- this can be good because you want some air exchange so the tea can breathe, but you don't want things to get dried out - adding a layer of paper can slow this down- you are basically adding another membrane that can allow oxygen to exchange but at a slower rate and without too much moisture moving in or out. also when you move your tins and get tea out paper will keep leaves from getting into/stuck in corners meaning less broken leaf/dust over a long time. I don't know how much effect contact long term with alu or steel could have on tea, so a piece of paper for extra protection certainly can't hurt. I think the paper can basically act like a thermos or a sleeping bag liner- you create an extra layer which combined with the empty space between the two surfaces helps even further to create a more favorable micro-environment for your tea.

also as you point out not all paper is the same - some is more permeable than others and in different material- mulberry, cotton, cellulose pulp, so on, and can have different potential acidity and smells too. wax paper might not be the best idea though since its probably closer to having your tea in a plastic bag, which from what I understand long term can lead to a very sour character. not all calligraphy or similar paper is totally acid free, but if its intended for that use its probably going to be much lower than say a brown paper bio trash bag since people don't want their work yellowing or breaking down. even papers which aren't totally acid free like a lot of Japanese papers are can last hundreds of years regardless.
26uk
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Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:06 pm

Thanks for the elaboration it really helps to understanding the intricacies of this.

The only reason I want to age some loose leaf puer is purely because I have extra and some are really rough at this young age. So if I screw up some it's perfectly fine. But I definitely don't want to be too casual with it either.
wave_code wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:54 pm
I'm looking to move a lot of teas right now to canisters from zip packs or and plastic bags, probably going with a bunch of the generic square-ish alu tins for bricks and loose or tuo type teas in round canisters with extra internal lids. everything will be lined with paper though too.

For paper lining I can think of a few reasons... for one while jars will be tins are folded metal, so they still aren't totally air tight and how much or little exchange or moisture loss there is will depend on the tin's construction- this can be good because you want some air exchange so the tea can breathe, but you don't want things to get dried out - adding a layer of paper can slow this down- you are basically adding another membrane that can allow oxygen to exchange but at a slower rate and without too much moisture moving in or out. also when you move your tins and get tea out paper will keep leaves from getting into/stuck in corners meaning less broken leaf/dust over a long time. I don't know how much effect contact long term with alu or steel could have on tea, so a piece of paper for extra protection certainly can't hurt. I think the paper can basically act like a thermos or a sleeping bag liner- you create an extra layer which combined with the empty space between the two surfaces helps even further to create a more favorable micro-environment for your tea.

also as you point out not all paper is the same - some is more permeable than others and in different material- mulberry, cotton, cellulose pulp, so on, and can have different potential acidity and smells too. wax paper might not be the best idea though since its probably closer to having your tea in a plastic bag, which from what I understand long term can lead to a very sour character. not all calligraphy or similar paper is totally acid free, but if its intended for that use its probably going to be much lower than say a brown paper bio trash bag since people don't want their work yellowing or breaking down. even papers which aren't totally acid free like a lot of Japanese papers are can last hundreds of years regardless.
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