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Hello! I recently came into possession of a very old teapot, a Staffordshire redware teapot probably dated to around the middle-1700s. It's unglazed and from what I read was used to drink Wuyi teas before both Wuyi and unglazed teaware in general fell out of fashion during the 1800s. Does anybody have any experience with these? Would it be safe to brew tea in one? Thanks!

Wow, that's awesome. Looks to be in a good condition too.

My understanding is that a lot of this stuff was slipcast

LeoFox wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:08 pm

My understanding is that a lot of this stuff was slipcast

I think this one was wheel thrown

Should be safe to use, usually it’s the glaze that’s toxic not the clay itself.

Nice piece! Reminds me a bit of Kangxi era stuff, which is probably what served as inspiration for these.

That’s a lovely pot. I don’t have a sense of scale from the photos: how much does it hold? Wondering here how it fits with the Asian tradition of smaller pots vs larger pots intended for western style/single infusion brewing for multiple people at once.

debunix wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:26 am

That’s a lovely pot. I don’t have a sense of scale from the photos: how much does it hold? Wondering here how it fits with the Asian tradition of smaller pots vs larger pots intended for western style/single infusion brewing for multiple people at once.

I measured it at around 280ml.

Small for Western brewing. Interesting.

debunix wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 07, 2022 5:39 pm

Small for Western brewing. Interesting.

Not so small, if you look at other earlier Chinese imitation porcelain, or the Export-Porcelain from China itself. I think the larger sizes came a bit later when Western pottery let go of the imitation phase and created more original things.

In addition: You can very well serve multiple persons with Chinese style small pots. Either with a reduced cup size or by stacking (which is often done actually, when the numbers of guests exceeds 3-5). Stacking is not ideal in terms of preserving original flavour layers, but then so is serving to more than 3 people (in terms of appreciation of the tea itself).

Very small in terms of the modern western teapot styles that I encountered on other people’s counters and shelves, or in shops. To the best of my knowledge, we never had one in our house until dad started drinking tea with his calligraphy friends.

It’s interesting to put that together with other information from topics about tea in history here and elsewhere, to consider what tea people were preparing in those vessels, and how they were sharing it.

Fascinating indeed! I remember some large terracotta my mum used to have to make tea, some sort of cheap, very porous Yixing with a bamboo top handle…

Pardon me some frolic, but is it Phoenix in the center of the relief by any chance? Could it be an elaborate budge for you to dedicate the pot to dan congs? A more picturesque version of 'Please, drink Chinese wulong'.

polezaivsani wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:41 pm

Pardon me some frolic, but is it Phoenix in the center of the relief by any chance? Could it be an elaborate budge for you to dedicate the pot to dan congs? A more picturesque version of 'Please, drink Chinese wulong'.

Pot looks too large and porous for Dancong... would be very expensive and ultimately dissatisying choice

polezaivsani wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:41 pm

Pardon me some frolic, but is it Phoenix in the center of the relief by any chance? Could it be an elaborate budge for you to dedicate the pot to dan congs? A more picturesque version of 'Please, drink Chinese wulong'.

I believe it's actually a cockatrice! I've mostly been devoting it to yancha because that's what I've read these pots were used for originally, but I think dan cong would work pretty well, too.

Bok wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:03 pm

polezaivsani wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:41 pm

Pardon me some frolic, but is it Phoenix in the center of the relief by any chance? Could it be an elaborate budge for you to dedicate the pot to dan congs? A more picturesque version of 'Please, drink Chinese wulong'.

Pot looks too large and porous for Dancong... would be very expensive and ultimately dissatisying choice

I dunno how porous it is, actually! It seems higher-fired than some of my underfired yixing pieces, and all the resources I've read refer to it as 'stoneware' rather than earthenware. I know a lot of the Elers brothers pieces were compared pretty favorably to import Yixing of the era by sources of the time, though this is ~50 years later than them.