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FS: Antique Imari porcelain cups
Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:00 pm
by Bok
On offer are:
Antique Imari porcelain cups with deer motif, Meiji period(1868-1912)
Some irregularities from firing as appropriate for an antique, otherwise as seen on the pictures. No hairlines or chips.
Diameter 88mm, 49mm high.
Price for the set is 5800TWD, Taiwan currency, EMS shipping included.
Re: FS: Antique Imari porcelain cups
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:11 am
by DailyTX
@Bok
First glance, I thought it was those famous deer scenes from Qing dynasty porcelain. This is my first time seeing a Japanese version, very interesting. The deers look cute haha
Re: FS: Antique Imari porcelain cups
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:25 pm
by Bok
DailyTX wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:11 am
Bok
First glance, I thought it was those famous deer scenes from Qing dynasty porcelain. This is my first time seeing a Japanese version, very interesting. The deers look cute haha
Haha yes! They did like to imitate almost all the famous Ming and Qing patterns and shapes. Some very close to the originals, good enough to fool some present day collectors
To be clear, the original intention back then seems to have been genuine appreciation and admiration of the originals, alongside with the difficulties to procure them and not to fake them in order to make money.
Re: FS: Antique Imari porcelain cups
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:05 pm
by DailyTX
Bok wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:25 pm
DailyTX wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:11 am
Bok
First glance, I thought it was those famous deer scenes from Qing dynasty porcelain. This is my first time seeing a Japanese version, very interesting. The deers look cute haha
Haha yes! They did like to imitate almost all the famous Ming and Qing patterns and shapes. Some very close to the originals, good enough to fool some present day collectors
To be clear, the original intention back then seems to have been genuine appreciation and admiration of the originals, alongside with the difficulties to procure them and not to fake them in order to make money.
+1
@Bok There were a few companies in the West also imitated some patterns, and those porcelain pieces are highly collected now. I guess it was a fashion back then haha
Re: FS: Antique Imari porcelain cups
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:04 pm
by Bok
DailyTX wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:05 pm
+1 Bok There were a few companies in the West also imitated some patterns, and those porcelain pieces are highly collected now. I guess it was a fashion back then haha
those can be quite nice and very good to use for tea, I got some early Meissen stuff from my grandparents and the Mokka cups are excellent for Chinese tea brewing.
Re: FS: Antique Imari porcelain cups
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:36 am
by Hmm
I thought they were also Chinese. I don't think these are considered imari though. I believe imari requires blue and red underglaze.
I seem to recall that deer can symbolize for the Chinese, unselfishness. Something about how when one deer comes and starts grazing. He calls all his other buddies to join in the grazing as well.
Re: FS: Antique Imari porcelain cups
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:20 am
by Bok
Hmm wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:36 am
I thought they were also Chinese. I don't think these are considered imari though. I believe imari requires blue and red underglaze.
I seem to recall that deer can symbolize for the Chinese, unselfishness. Something about how when one deer comes and starts grazing. He calls all his other buddies to join in the grazing as well.
Apparently not necessarily those colours only:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imari_ware
The deers looks distinctly Japanese though in style, Chinese wouldn’t paint them like this.
I was just happy it’s not the same old boring white and blue : - )
Re: FS: Antique Imari porcelain cups
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:54 pm
by tjkdubya
Hmm wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:36 am
I thought they were also Chinese. I don't think these are considered imari though. I believe imari requires blue and red underglaze.
Here's a plain white Imari cup, or Arita-yaki to be precise.
Re: FS: Antique Imari porcelain cups
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:01 pm
by tjkdubya
It's not that Imari/Arita-yaki requires decoration, it's just that the term came to be strongly associated with the colorful export ware. There are some lovely plain white pieces that show the aesthetic influence of Joseon white and Dehua white.
Re: FS: Antique Imari porcelain cups
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:56 pm
by Bok
@tjkdubyathanks for clarifying this and - beautiful white cup!
Re: FS: Antique Imari porcelain cups
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:53 am
by Bok
< bump > anyone needs some deer for Santa's sledge?
Re: FS: Antique Imari porcelain cups
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:50 pm
by Bok
@pedant please archive, I am going to consolidate these into one post with the other cups I have. Thanks!