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I'm guessing B is the factory gaiwan due to it looking higher quality on the print, but I could see how the lighter one could be older too. I just feel modern rice grain stuff I see is so janky, but I also don't see that flower pattern used much then either. now I am curious @sheep.payday2

wave_code wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:33 pm

I'm guessing B is the factory gaiwan due to it looking higher quality on the print, but I could see how the lighter one could be older too. I just feel modern rice grain stuff I see is so janky, but I also don't see that flower pattern used much then either. now I am curious sheep.payday2

I am also a fan of those rice grain porcelains. I feel like the modern ones are too perfect or too rigid, and lack of the artisan touch. I tend to go after the hand painted ones.

Here is a latest porcelain find, not rice grain and probably not made in china.

umami wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 23, 2024 4:51 am

That sign says 光達.

Why not 光造? (disclaimer: I know a lot more about calligraphy than about Japanese pottery marks.)

wave_code wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:33 pm

I'm guessing B is the factory gaiwan due to it looking higher quality on the print, but I could see how the lighter one could be older too. I just feel modern rice grain stuff I see is so janky […]

B is from the factory era, A is newly made retro porcelain.

The rice grains on B are large and regular, and the printing looks "moist". The most important difference cannot be captured in photos: hand feel. The older glaze is thick, has a greasy to vitreous lustre and an eggshell blue tint to it. Retro clay is relatively coarse, gray-white, and the glaze is thin.

That said, that factory gaiwan is far from the best thing ever. It's thick and heavy, and the lid is warped. It's not hard to find a modern one that's easier to use. And yes, the bulk of rice grain stuff that I (and you) see in the wild is jank. However, some PRC factory pieces are actually good, and I appreciate the cultural and economic history that they carry.

I'll share one nice and presumably older (5/6/70s') gaiwan below. The key fret "工工工工工" border seems to have been painted by hand, although the rest is stampwork.

@DailyTX fully handpainted pieces are on a whole different level – even the bad ones pass as quaint, and the best really deserve to be called exquisite.


Outside by multaa, on Flickr


Inside by multaa, on Flickr


plate by multaa, on Flickr

@sheep.payday2
Lovely gaiwan

This one has been a bit of a mystery/curiosity and for reference I'd like to try and figure it out. Celadon color but on the very light side, a modern CZ cup and Qing green bean cup are pictured here for color reference. In some ways it seems older - shape, glaze/firing imperfections, lack of glazing on the rim. The main thing that makes me think it could be a replica is the glaze itself having this sort of white-ish spotting mainly visible on the inside, almost like I am looking through more than one glaze layer, but again could be general imperfections. I do feel I have seen glazes with this white clouding more on Japanese porcelain like older soba cups. Shape doesn't help me much with the slight flare out on the lip since I haven't seen this much on older cups, but maybe that is the clue. I've only seen a couple similar shaped but they were at least in the photos more bone colored. Japanese? Chinese? Korean? Replica - if so anyone know what it is copying? If the goal was to make a green bean cup replica its pretty far off the mark and the ROC replicas I have seen also look very different from this. Came from Japan so I was guessing either actually be a little old or maybe Japanese replica of something like a Ming cup style I don't know?

sheep.payday2 wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 26, 2024 3:25 pm

Why not 光造? (disclaimer: I know a lot more about calligraphy than about Japanese pottery marks.)

Mainly because I've seen 光達 in listings before, but not 光造.
造 usually comes at the end after a name, which commonly has two kanji. For example pieces with 光達 on the item sometimes have 光達造 on the box.

That being said I could very well be wrong, there are a few different kyoyaki kilns out there with 光 in the name, but this one seems to be the closest match.

Two teacups and saucers of Canton exportware.

WhisperingFrog192 wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:19 pm

Two teacups and saucers of Canton exportware.

Nice Canton export set. I enjoy the lyrical quality of the drawings and feel of the porcelain from this period. Yours look like post 1890s. A few references I use;
https://apps.jefpat.maryland.gov/diagno ... bnails.htm

https://www.cantonchinavirtualmuseum.co ... ientation/
https://www.gotheborg.com/sitemap.shtml
viewtopic.php?p=25398#p25398

Been nice to catch up on all the recent posts lately. Thought I would share some of my favorite contemporary porcelain pieces by one of favorite potters, Noel Bailey. The simpler, less curvy piece i picked up a few years ago and the more flowing piece with surface work reminiscent of Japanese hotaru-de i got a few months ago. Noel's work continues to evolve. He is constantly pushing the boundaries of form while adhering to certain principles of aesthetic and practicality. Even though these arent teaware per season, i constantly am using these for tea. There is nothing prettier to look at it and more practical and comfortable to hold.

botlofchaz wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 06, 2024 4:01 pm

Been nice to catch up on all the recent posts lately. Thought I would share some of my favorite contemporary porcelain pieces by one of favorite potters, Noel Bailey. The simpler, less curvy piece i picked up a few years ago and the more flowing piece with surface work reminiscent of Japanese hotaru-de i got a few months ago. Noel's work continues to evolve. He is constantly pushing the boundaries of form while adhering to certain principles of aesthetic and practicality. Even though these arent teaware per season, i constantly am using these for tea. There is nothing prettier to look at it and more practical and comfortable to hold.

Really nice fluid water worn bolder shape! Nice find.

That is a spectacular piece. where does he sell his work?

debunix wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:50 pm

That is a spectacular piece. where does he sell his work?

Mostly galleries. He has 1 or maybe 2 updates a year on his website with new work.

Recently picked up this simple cup from kiln of Manji Inoue (井上萬二) designated living national treasure for white arita porcelain ware.

Kiln website:

https://manjiinoue.com/potter/

Info from
https://japannews.yomiuri.co.jp/culture ... 03-133345/

Inoue was born in Arita into a family of potters, the profession going back to his grandfather. However, he did not intend to become a potter himself. Rather, he dreamed of becoming a pilot, and at age 15 he joined the Kagoshima naval air corps in the city of Kagoshima. After being stationed in Kanoya, Kagoshima Prefecture, which was where a kamikaze base was located, he was transferred to the town of Kushira in the prefecture, where he remained until the end of the war.

“Because of the harsh experiences, I managed to overcome whatever difficulties I had afterward and devote myself to porcelain,” Inoue said.

After returning to his hometown, he trained at the prestigious Kakiemon Kiln, but spent a long time as an unpaid apprentice. A turning point came when he met Okugawa Chuemon I (1901-75), who was considered a master potter. Inoue became his apprentice, honing his skill on the potter’s wheel.

Then, he put in 13 years as a technical officer at the Saga Prefectural Ceramics Experiment Station, predecessor of the Saga Ceramics Research Laboratory, studying clay, glaze and design. Eventually, he made up his mind to master white porcelain. “No matter how many decorations you add, it won’t turn into pottery unless there is a shape,” he said. “ if I could create the ultimate level of form, I wouldn’t need anything but white porcelain, which is the original form of porcelain.”

Having been invited to U.S. universities to teach, Inoue has visited the United States more than 20 times. “Encountering an aesthetic sense unbound by tradition [in the U.S.], I was able to expand the scope of my work,” he said.

Inoue founded his own studio in 1970 and became the first white porcelain potter designated a living national treasure in 1995.

Personal experience
Does not appear to have any suppressing effect on tea after a few tries with green compared side by side to JDZ. Beautiful glaze - tea liquid clings to it making interesting patterns.

Thank you for sharing this information @LeoFox. I also collect these porcelain pieces like a Inoue Haruho teapot 井上春峰 急須. The porcelain pedestal cup, similar to yours, I use for gyokuro, it is by Noritake.

Haruho Inoue teapot 井上春峰 急須

Victoria wrote: ↑

Sat May 11, 2024 8:59 am

Thank you for sharing this information LeoFox. I also collect these porcelain pieces like a Inoue Haruho teapot 井上春峰 急須. The porcelain pedestal cup, similar to yours, I use for gyokuro, it is by Noritake.

Haruho Inoue teapot 井上春峰 急須

Do you mean inoue shunpo?
井上春峰

https://japanese-ceramics.com/2nd-gener ... %E4%BB%A3/