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Re: The Porcelain Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 11:09 am
by gradiva
And finally wanting to confirm that this is Japanese:
Re: The Porcelain Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 12:55 pm
by Victoria
gradiva wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 11:06 am
Hi all. Wondering if someone out there can help me identify two Japanese makers and whether one thing is Japanese or Chinese.
The first:
All three posts you shared look Japanese. I don’t recognize the stamp marks, lower left of the box is the artist signature, upper right descriptions. You might search Kyo-ware, Arita-ware both locations that make a lot of porcelain kyusu. Hopefully someone here reads Japanese. You can also look through a few helpful stamp mark signature web sites;
Famous Japanese Potters & Marks
https://chano-yu.com/famous-japanese-potters-and-marks/
Japanese Pottery Marks
http://www.japanesepotterymarks.info/ja ... show_all=1
Tokoname Teapot Makers
http://www.tokoname.or.jp/teapot/stamp/
Robert Yellin’s Japanese Pottery Blog
http://e-yakimono.blogspot.com/
Gotheborg
http://gotheborg.com
Re: The Porcelain Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 1:23 pm
by gradiva
Thank you so much,
@Victoria!
I was precisely looking around similar websites and googling "japanese mark fuji" to try to figure out the third one. It's Fukagawa, though I don't know yet who the maker is.
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And regarding the two first ones (one is a Kyusu, the other a tea set of Kyusu plus 5 teacups), I'd thought I'd post both the mark on the items as well as the signature on the boxes, to potentially make it easier to identify. Hopefully a Japanese speaker will drop by and help me.
Re: The Porcelain Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 1:36 pm
by Victoria
gradiva wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 1:23 pm
Thank you so much, Victoria!
I was precisely looking around similar websites and googling "japanese mark fuji" to try to figure out the third one. It's Fukagawa, though I don't know yet who the maker is.
And regarding the two first ones (one is a Kyusu, the other a tea set of Kyusu plus 5 teacups), I'd thought I'd post both the mark on the items as well as the signature on the boxes, to potentially make it easier to identify. Hopefully a Japanese speaker will drop by and help me.
Would help if you would add images of the pieces. You can edit your posts to add more images. Maybe
@S_B can help translate.
Re: The Porcelain Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 1:42 pm
by gradiva
Victoria wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 1:36 pm
Would help if you would add images of the pieces. You can edit your posts to add more images. Maybe S_B can help translate.
Yes. Just edited the first one. Now on to the second. Thanks!
Re: The Porcelain Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 2:05 pm
by gradiva
gradiva wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 11:06 am
Hi all. Wondering if someone out there can help me identify two Japanese makers and whether one thing is Japanese or Chinese.
The first:
For some reason I can’t edit in a fourth pic, so here goes a close up of the stamp:
Re: The Porcelain Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 7:16 pm
by Bok
Last one’s character are 東山
Re: The Porcelain Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 9:46 pm
by gradiva
Bok wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 7:16 pm
Last one’s character are 東山
You mean this one, yes? Googled it and got hits mostly related to Higashiyama but no images of porcelain. Then I flipped the characters and got Shandong. Now wondering if the second character (or first?) might be missing the bottom element...
Re: The Porcelain Thread
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:22 am
by Mark-S
New beautiful plates for my teapots
Unfortunately, the website discussion.chinese-antique-porcelain.com is down, so I cannot ask how old they are. My guess is that 3.jpg is from Song dynasty and the two others are from Qing dynasty, but I am not so sure about 2.jpg.
Re: The Porcelain Thread
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:22 am
by Bok
@Mark-S how does the underside look?
Re: The Porcelain Thread
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:21 am
by Victoria
Mark-S wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:22 am
New beautiful plates for my teapots
Unfortunately, the website discussion.chinese-antique-porcelain.com is down, so I cannot ask how old they are. My guess is that 3.jpg is from Song dynasty and the two others are from Qing dynasty, but I am not so sure about 2.jpg.
The second image is underglaze blue Canton, for export, from the 1880s. The Blue Willow pattern became simplified and more lyrical mid-late 19th century, earlier examples are rougher and or more realistic drawings of river scenes with pagodas, bridges, and trees. I have several of those pieces and love the playful simplified hand drawings of this period, each one always slightly different. You can tell the age by how the rim is drawn and the style of drawing. The finer ones are very pleasant to handle and well made, even if seemingly naive in style. Underside typically has no markings, although earlier 20th C ones say Made in China or Japan. You can reference
Gotheborg.com and
Canton Virtual Museum for more information.
Re: The Porcelain Thread
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:36 am
by Bok
What I was after on the underside are marks left from the firing which would confirm a certain age or not.
Re: The Porcelain Thread
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:40 am
by Mark-S
@Victoria
Thanks for this information
I did not know cantonchinavirtualmuseum.com. It's very helpful
@Bok
I added more photos.
Re: The Porcelain Thread
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:26 pm
by DailyTX
Mark-S wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:40 am
Victoria
Thanks for this information
I did not know cantonchinavirtualmuseum.com. It's very helpful
Bok
I added more photos.
@Mark-S
The second photo’s foot looks good. It even has a name inscribed on the outside, which led me to think it maybe common ware from Qing.
The 3rd photo looks like one of those plates from Essenceoftea. You can browse through their site to compare.
The first photo...looks younger and sloppier in term of the foot. I am no expert in antique haha but if I am a buyer, I would pay early-mid 20th century price.
Re: The Porcelain Thread
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:16 pm
by Hmm
Victoria wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:21 am
Mark-S wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:22 am
New beautiful plates for my teapots
Unfortunately, the website discussion.chinese-antique-porcelain.com is down, so I cannot ask how old they are. My guess is that 3.jpg is from Song dynasty and the two others are from Qing dynasty, but I am not so sure about 2.jpg.
The second image is underglaze blue Canton, for export, from the 1880s. The Blue Willow pattern became simplified and more lyrical mid-late 19th century, earlier examples are rougher and or more realistic drawings of river scenes with pagodas, bridges, and trees. I have several of those pieces and love the playful simplified hand drawings of this period, each one always slightly different. You can tell the age by how the rim is drawn and the style of drawing. The finer ones are very pleasant to handle and well made, even if seemingly naive in style. Underside typically has no markings, although earlier 20th C ones say Made in China or Japan. You can reference
Gotheborg.com and
Canton Virtual Museum for more information.
The cloud pattern on the canton plate is the earlier version. After 1880, the pattern starts to change and you just see diagonal lines.
I believe the pattern is from around the 1840s-1860s, starting around Daoguang period. My assumption is that the pattern became more simplistic because the turmoil that was happening the region during the time, with the Opium war/Taiping rebellion around that time. The south, where most of the porcelain making areas were, were in turmoil.