The Porcelain Thread

[gradiva]

And finally wanting to confirm that this is Japanese:

[Victoria]

Hi all. Wondering if someone out there can help me identify two Japanese makers and whether one thing is Japanese or Chinese.

The first:

All three posts you shared look Japanese. I don’t recognize the stamp marks, lower left of the box is the artist signature, upper right descriptions. You might search Kyo-ware, Arita-ware both locations that make a lot of porcelain kyusu. Hopefully someone here reads Japanese. You can also look through a few helpful stamp mark signature web sites;

Famous Japanese Potters & Marks
https://chano-yu.com/famous-japanese-potters-and-marks/

Japanese Pottery Marks
http://www.japanesepotterymarks.info/ja ... show_all=1

Tokoname Teapot Makers
http://www.tokoname.or.jp/teapot/stamp/

Robert Yellin’s Japanese Pottery Blog
http://e-yakimono.blogspot.com/

Gotheborg
http://gotheborg.com

[gradiva]

Thank you so much, @Victoria!
I was precisely looking around similar websites and googling "japanese mark fuji" to try to figure out the third one. It's Fukagawa, though I don't know yet who the maker is.

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And regarding the two first ones (one is a Kyusu, the other a tea set of Kyusu plus 5 teacups), I'd thought I'd post both the mark on the items as well as the signature on the boxes, to potentially make it easier to identify. Hopefully a Japanese speaker will drop by and help me.

[Victoria]

Thank you so much, Victoria!
I was precisely looking around similar websites and googling "japanese mark fuji" to try to figure out the third one. It's Fukagawa, though I don't know yet who the maker is.


And regarding the two first ones (one is a Kyusu, the other a tea set of Kyusu plus 5 teacups), I'd thought I'd post both the mark on the items as well as the signature on the boxes, to potentially make it easier to identify. Hopefully a Japanese speaker will drop by and help me.

Would help if you would add images of the pieces. You can edit your posts to add more images. Maybe @S_B can help translate.

[gradiva]

Would help if you would add images of the pieces. You can edit your posts to add more images. Maybe S_B can help translate.

Yes. Just edited the first one. Now on to the second. Thanks!

[gradiva]

Hi all. Wondering if someone out there can help me identify two Japanese makers and whether one thing is Japanese or Chinese.

The first:

For some reason I can’t edit in a fourth pic, so here goes a close up of the stamp:

[Bok]

Last one’s character are 東山

[gradiva]

Last one’s character are 東山

You mean this one, yes? Googled it and got hits mostly related to Higashiyama but no images of porcelain. Then I flipped the characters and got Shandong. Now wondering if the second character (or first?) might be missing the bottom element...

[Mark-S]

New beautiful plates for my teapots Unfortunately, the website discussion.chinese-antique-porcelain.com is down, so I cannot ask how old they are. My guess is that 3.jpg is from Song dynasty and the two others are from Qing dynasty, but I am not so sure about 2.jpg.

[Bok]

@Mark-S how does the underside look?

[Victoria]

New beautiful plates for my teapots Unfortunately, the website discussion.chinese-antique-porcelain.com is down, so I cannot ask how old they are. My guess is that 3.jpg is from Song dynasty and the two others are from Qing dynasty, but I am not so sure about 2.jpg.

The second image is underglaze blue Canton, for export, from the 1880s. The Blue Willow pattern became simplified and more lyrical mid-late 19th century, earlier examples are rougher and or more realistic drawings of river scenes with pagodas, bridges, and trees. I have several of those pieces and love the playful simplified hand drawings of this period, each one always slightly different. You can tell the age by how the rim is drawn and the style of drawing. The finer ones are very pleasant to handle and well made, even if seemingly naive in style. Underside typically has no markings, although earlier 20th C ones say Made in China or Japan. You can reference Gotheborg.com and Canton Virtual Museum for more information.

[Bok]

What I was after on the underside are marks left from the firing which would confirm a certain age or not.

[Mark-S]

@Victoria

Thanks for this information I did not know cantonchinavirtualmuseum.com. It's very helpful

@Bok

I added more photos.

[DailyTX]

Victoria

Thanks for this information I did not know cantonchinavirtualmuseum.com. It's very helpful

Bok

I added more photos.

@Mark-S
The second photo’s foot looks good. It even has a name inscribed on the outside, which led me to think it maybe common ware from Qing.

The 3rd photo looks like one of those plates from Essenceoftea. You can browse through their site to compare.

The first photo...looks younger and sloppier in term of the foot. I am no expert in antique haha but if I am a buyer, I would pay early-mid 20th century price.

[Hmm]

New beautiful plates for my teapots Unfortunately, the website discussion.chinese-antique-porcelain.com is down, so I cannot ask how old they are. My guess is that 3.jpg is from Song dynasty and the two others are from Qing dynasty, but I am not so sure about 2.jpg.

The second image is underglaze blue Canton, for export, from the 1880s. The Blue Willow pattern became simplified and more lyrical mid-late 19th century, earlier examples are rougher and or more realistic drawings of river scenes with pagodas, bridges, and trees. I have several of those pieces and love the playful simplified hand drawings of this period, each one always slightly different. You can tell the age by how the rim is drawn and the style of drawing. The finer ones are very pleasant to handle and well made, even if seemingly naive in style. Underside typically has no markings, although earlier 20th C ones say Made in China or Japan. You can reference Gotheborg.com and Canton Virtual Museum for more information.

The cloud pattern on the canton plate is the earlier version. After 1880, the pattern starts to change and you just see diagonal lines.

I believe the pattern is from around the 1840s-1860s, starting around Daoguang period. My assumption is that the pattern became more simplistic because the turmoil that was happening the region during the time, with the Opium war/Taiping rebellion around that time. The south, where most of the porcelain making areas were, were in turmoil.