The Porcelain Thread

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Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:33 pm

I'm guessing B is the factory gaiwan due to it looking higher quality on the print, but I could see how the lighter one could be older too. I just feel modern rice grain stuff I see is so janky, but I also don't see that flower pattern used much then either. now I am curious @sheep.payday2
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Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:50 pm

wave_code wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:33 pm
I'm guessing B is the factory gaiwan due to it looking higher quality on the print, but I could see how the lighter one could be older too. I just feel modern rice grain stuff I see is so janky, but I also don't see that flower pattern used much then either. now I am curious sheep.payday2
I am also a fan of those rice grain porcelains. I feel like the modern ones are too perfect or too rigid, and lack of the artisan touch. I tend to go after the hand painted ones.

Here is a latest porcelain find, not rice grain and probably not made in china.
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umami wrote:
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That sign says 光達.
Why not 光造? (disclaimer: I know a lot more about calligraphy than about Japanese pottery marks.)
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I'm guessing B is the factory gaiwan due to it looking higher quality on the print, but I could see how the lighter one could be older too. I just feel modern rice grain stuff I see is so janky […]
B is from the factory era, A is newly made retro porcelain.

The rice grains on B are large and regular, and the printing looks "moist". The most important difference cannot be captured in photos: hand feel. The older glaze is thick, has a greasy to vitreous lustre and an eggshell blue tint to it. Retro clay is relatively coarse, gray-white, and the glaze is thin.

That said, that factory gaiwan is far from the best thing ever. It's thick and heavy, and the lid is warped. It's not hard to find a modern one that's easier to use. And yes, the bulk of rice grain stuff that I (and you) see in the wild is jank. However, some PRC factory pieces are actually good, and I appreciate the cultural and economic history that they carry.

I'll share one nice and presumably older (5/6/70s') gaiwan below. The key fret "工工工工工" border seems to have been painted by hand, although the rest is stampwork.

@DailyTX fully handpainted pieces are on a whole different level – even the bad ones pass as quaint, and the best really deserve to be called exquisite.

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Lovely gaiwan 👍
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This one has been a bit of a mystery/curiosity and for reference I'd like to try and figure it out. Celadon color but on the very light side, a modern CZ cup and Qing green bean cup are pictured here for color reference. In some ways it seems older - shape, glaze/firing imperfections, lack of glazing on the rim. The main thing that makes me think it could be a replica is the glaze itself having this sort of white-ish spotting mainly visible on the inside, almost like I am looking through more than one glaze layer, but again could be general imperfections. I do feel I have seen glazes with this white clouding more on Japanese porcelain like older soba cups. Shape doesn't help me much with the slight flare out on the lip since I haven't seen this much on older cups, but maybe that is the clue. I've only seen a couple similar shaped but they were at least in the photos more bone colored. Japanese? Chinese? Korean? Replica - if so anyone know what it is copying? If the goal was to make a green bean cup replica its pretty far off the mark and the ROC replicas I have seen also look very different from this. Came from Japan so I was guessing either actually be a little old or maybe Japanese replica of something like a Ming cup style I don't know?
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sheep.payday2 wrote:
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Why not 光造? (disclaimer: I know a lot more about calligraphy than about Japanese pottery marks.)
Mainly because I've seen 光達 in listings before, but not 光造.
造 usually comes at the end after a name, which commonly has two kanji. For example pieces with 光達 on the item sometimes have 光達造 on the box.

That being said I could very well be wrong, there are a few different kyoyaki kilns out there with 光 in the name, but this one seems to be the closest match.
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Two teacups and saucers of Canton exportware.
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WhisperingFrog192 wrote:
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Two teacups and saucers of Canton exportware.
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Nice Canton export set. I enjoy the lyrical quality of the drawings and feel of the porcelain from this period. Yours look like post 1890s. A few references I use;
https://apps.jefpat.maryland.gov/diagno ... bnails.htm

https://www.cantonchinavirtualmuseum.co ... ientation/
https://www.gotheborg.com/sitemap.shtml
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Been nice to catch up on all the recent posts lately. Thought I would share some of my favorite contemporary porcelain pieces by one of favorite potters, Noel Bailey. The simpler, less curvy piece i picked up a few years ago and the more flowing piece with surface work reminiscent of Japanese hotaru-de i got a few months ago. Noel's work continues to evolve. He is constantly pushing the boundaries of form while adhering to certain principles of aesthetic and practicality. Even though these arent teaware per season, i constantly am using these for tea. There is nothing prettier to look at it and more practical and comfortable to hold.
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botlofchaz wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2024 4:01 pm
Been nice to catch up on all the recent posts lately. Thought I would share some of my favorite contemporary porcelain pieces by one of favorite potters, Noel Bailey. The simpler, less curvy piece i picked up a few years ago and the more flowing piece with surface work reminiscent of Japanese hotaru-de i got a few months ago. Noel's work continues to evolve. He is constantly pushing the boundaries of form while adhering to certain principles of aesthetic and practicality. Even though these arent teaware per season, i constantly am using these for tea. There is nothing prettier to look at it and more practical and comfortable to hold.
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Really nice fluid water worn bolder shape! Nice find.
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Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:50 pm

That is a spectacular piece. where does he sell his work?
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That is a spectacular piece. where does he sell his work?
Mostly galleries. He has 1 or maybe 2 updates a year on his website with new work.
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