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Re: Textured Porous Clay: Aesthetics & Transformations in Japan

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:37 pm
by rdl
Victoria wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:20 pm
Bok wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:20 am
Victoria Interesting topic!

I wonder if I should contribute some of my wood-fired pots, although they are Taiwanese? I believe that the potters here copied, or at least got heavily inspired by the Japanese way of firing. Some Bizen pieces have the exact same colourings and surfaces as are typical for the Taiwanese wood fired wares.

What I am surprised is that the Japanese ones are absorbing in nature! The Taiwanese ones are so a very tiny bit in the beginning, after a few times of use, that is normally gone. Maybe difference in firing temperature?
Yes, please share Bok. I think I’ve seen some highly textured Taiwan pieces with kiln burn and that use ash glaze. From what I understand so far (limited knowledge) pieces from Shigaraki and Iga are high fired, so it must be the clay. Don’t know enough about other regional approaches yet.
Bok,
I too encourage you to show and please tell. I am not familiar with Taiwanese wood fired pots, nor am I familiar with your work, which just recently I read a few words of yours referring to it. Always much to learn.

Re: Textured Porous Clay: Aesthetics & Transformations in Japan

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:57 pm
by debunix
Victoria wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:05 pm
I love the thin walls combined with texture, embedded sea shells (?) and youhen color changes. The natural ash glaze is something to observe. Your’s has fully melted Shizenyu, and very nice Bi-doro green glass ash glaze as well.
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Watanabe Aiko is in Iga, and she built her own anagama kilns there. Unlike most traditional potters, she does not come from a multi-generational family of potters. Beautiful piece you have. ...
Thank you for the compliments. It is a lovely piece, and after the sad loss of my Eichii Shibuya Malibu cup (cracked until unsafe to use, I think simply from temperature shocks),

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I realized I needed to be a lot more cautious with these delicate pieces. I am very cautious with this one, and use it mostly for senchas where the temperatures start lower and increase gradually.

The shells are imprints, not embeds.

I'm impressed that such wonderful pieces (this is not her only lovely piece that I've seen and drooled over on Artistic Nippon) came without a family tradition.

Re: Textured Porous Clay: Aesthetics & Transformations in Japan

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:15 pm
by Victoria
:shock: TAD alert I see @debunix that AN has many of Wantanabe Aiko pieces in both yunomi and guinomi sizes;
https://www.artisticnippon.com/product/ ... index.html

Also, I think the inclusion of sea shell imprints is a reference to the origin of the clay used, in what was once a seabed geologically.

Re: Textured Porous Clay: Aesthetics & Transformations in Japan

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:32 pm
by rdl
Victoria,
I think you feel the appreciation for your initiating this topic. It opened so nicely with beautiful pieces from your collection and rich pieces of your knowledge. And thank you for the kind words.
When you write: "I’ve been thinking about highly textured Japanese teaware pieces..."
Thinking you were.
Its nice to put the artistic with the technical, scientific to enhance whatever one's views are of this kind of work.
I am curious about how you formulate your purchases? That pertains to all your pieces, but it then seems that location, artist, style, grabs your attention in focusing on them.
As had been said, this topic is pushing us to confront an esthetics that has a real discomfort, like the thorns of the rose bush.

Re: Textured Porous Clay: Aesthetics & Transformations in Japan

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:37 pm
by Victoria
debunix wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:18 pm
I've got a piece that fits this topic: an Igayaki piece by Watanabe Aiko that manages both sleek glassy green pools and drips and gray ash, thin delicate walls with coarse texture that seems like it should leak, but does not.

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@debunix how much does your piece weigh and it’s size? I’m curious because most of my Shigaraki Iga pieces are not heavy, but not light either. Some are thick, some are thinner. I guess it depends on components in each clay used. Since yours is pretty thin, I’m wondering if it is light as well.

Re: Textured Porous Clay: Aesthetics & Transformations in Japan

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:29 pm
by Ethan Kurland
rdl wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:29 pm
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Then offering best wishes, you leave with these parting words: I still don't like it.
Have I mistaken your self appraisal? I find it refreshing.
Yes, rdl. You understand me. Being understood is most refreshing. Cheers

Re: Textured Porous Clay: Aesthetics & Transformations in Japan

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:30 pm
by steanze
I thought I'd contribute to this thread with this kyusu by Yamada Jozan III

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Re: Textured Porous Clay: Aesthetics & Transformations in Japan

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:54 pm
by Bok
So here a few of my own Taiwanese wood-fired pieces. Some might have seen those, as I posted them elsewhere a few years back...

Those first three shown the most typical colouring and texture found in Taiwan. Clay is local.

Re: Textured Porous Clay: Aesthetics & Transformations in Japan

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:56 pm
by Bok
These three are all made of different clays, two from Japan, on more coarse from Taiwan(same as previous post’s).

That Japanese clay is specifically made for wood firing.

The metallic look is also quite typical for Taiwanese wares.

Re: Textured Porous Clay: Aesthetics & Transformations in Japan

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:58 pm
by Bok
Last one is yet another Taiwanese clay, and although it looks like it’s glazed, it is not... all the result from fire and ash.

Re: Textured Porous Clay: Aesthetics & Transformations in Japan

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:01 pm
by Victoria
steanze wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:30 pm
I thought I'd contribute to this thread with this kyusu by Yamada Jozan III
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@steanze your Jozan is so beautiful. What size is it? Mine is just 85ml and I’m wondering what Japanese tea he was thinking of using in such a small pot. Maybe gyokuro. How does the clay look inside your kyusu? Wondering if it is blackened by reduction firing, or if the clay used was dark brown with added kaolin chips. Mine used a beige clay with no youhen or ash deposits inside.

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Re: Textured Porous Clay: Aesthetics & Transformations in Japan

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:07 pm
by Victoria
Bok wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:54 pm
So here a few of my own Taiwanese wood-fired pieces. Some might have seen those, as I posted them elsewhere a few years back...

Those first three shown the most typical colouring and texture found in Taiwan. Clay is local.
Looks a lot like Bizen.

Re: Textured Porous Clay: Aesthetics & Transformations in Japan

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 7:33 pm
by Bok
Victoria wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:07 pm
Bok wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:54 pm
So here a few of my own Taiwanese wood-fired pieces. Some might have seen those, as I posted them elsewhere a few years back...

Those first three shown the most typical colouring and texture found in Taiwan. Clay is local.
Looks a lot like Bizen.
Yes, I believe the potters here must have picked it up from the Japanese.

Re: Textured Porous Clay: Aesthetics & Transformations in Japan

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:13 pm
by steanze
Victoria wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:01 pm

steanze your Jozan is so beautiful. What size is it? Mine is just 85ml and I’m wondering what Japanese tea he was thinking of using in such a small pot. Maybe gyokuro. How does the clay look inside your kyusu? Wondering if it is blackened by reduction firing, or if the clay used was dark brown with added kaolin chips. Mine used a beige clay with no youhen or ash deposits inside.


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Happy you enjoy it :) the size is about 150ml. For your 85ml, probably he had in mind gyokuro. Looks like a great pot for a concentrated session. The clay inside mine is dark brown with added chips.

Re: Textured Porous Clay: Aesthetics & Transformations in Japan

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:26 pm
by steanze
Ok, one more :)
By Ito Sekisui V, living national treasure of Sado isand:
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