The (Western) Yixing market

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Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:10 am

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gatmcm wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:29 am
Is that zishaartgallery site considered legit?
I remember browsing it a few months ago and seeing a couple pots I wasnt sure about so I sorta disregarded it.
Good to hear then :)
Yes. I asked a few collectors in SEA before buying anything.

What pots were you unsure about?
Note that not all of their pots are f1. They also sell a number of inexpensive pots from f2.
Don’t you think that 170 SGD for an F2 is actually relatively pricey?
Yes, but inexpensive compared to their other pots. Chawangshop sells the same F2 pots for $90-95 and I believe those are overpriced too.
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Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:04 pm

Chadrinkincat wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:55 am

What pots were you unsure about?
Note that not all of their pots are f1. They also sell a number of inexpensive pots from f2.
Not too sure, was months ago, just a couple f1s and f2s with some sloppy base stamps, my f2 is has a bad stamp but not as bad.
This was a completely uneducated hunch though, I am aware there is a ton of variation.
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Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:58 am

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Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:26 pm
Sigh...now look what youve gone and done...
Email sent. Id imagine they want over $1000 though. Lets see if they respond.
That is Qing Dynasty! $4000 Easy.
I would not bother with the ones they do not display the price. It means if you do not know how much this is worth, don't bother! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
ya, forget it. I have no problem spending good money on toys, but i like my assets of that price range to be liquidatable. Looks like ive reached the level im willing to spend on pots. No need for me to get any more
Just a heads up,
They did just get back to me!
They are asking 1800 SGD which comes to just over $1300 USD.
To rich for me, but not as bad as we thought it may be. Probably due to the slight damage its had.
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Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:46 pm

Brent D wrote:
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Just a heads up,
They did just get back to me!
They are asking 1800 SGD which comes to just over $1300 USD.
And just a little over 1100€! Might as well give it away for free!

On a more serious note, thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread. The Yixing world (both Western and Chinese) still confuses me a lot, so any info is always useful.
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Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:41 pm

There is no self wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:46 pm
On a more serious note, thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread. The Yixing world (both Western and Chinese) still confuses me a lot, so any info is always useful.
@There is no self

You’re confused??... seriously????

Congratulations!! You’re on the right track! Keep asking questions, keep learning, keep being curious!! Sit back, enjoy a sip, maybe two, probable three....Friendship forged over a cup, one cup at a time!

Remember, if you ever feel lonely or lost... your angel of clay is right there with you...... 🥳🥳

Cheers!!!

**ppsstttt @Bok , time to upgrade those wings of yours**
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Edit: I also recall hearing about the Chinese Tea Shop in Vancouver BC having yixing. Does anyone have experience with them?
Daniel Lui from the ChineseTeaShop is a reputable seller. I've ordered from him few times, it's been a bit a hit or a miss situation. He collects old Qing/ROC yixing and is likely quite knowledgeable about them, maybe less so about factory stuff, so you need to take his descriptions with a grain of salt (many of his "80's" teapots are more likely "90's" etc.). When it comes to his tea selection, from my limited experience, i'd say that you get what you pay for.
I wasn’t impressed with ChineseTeaShop.

I purchased a modern zhuni teapot from them and it was not zhuni but some kind of slip or glaze over another clay, maybe hongni. I can see dark clay under the slip/glaze in places and it appears like it was applied with a brush. I haven’t encountered anything like it. I can’t say what it is but it is definitely not modern zhuni!

Fortunately, it makes good enough tea to keep and doesn’t have lead in it. Nevertheless, it was not as advertised. Even someone with only modest experience collecting would have been able to tell something was amiss if they held the teapot.

It photographs well and I let guests/students use it since it works well but is essentially disposable.
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@Brent D 1300 for a authentic, pure Zhuni clay from Qing era is frankly not much. You pay more or slightly less for a modern (real and pure) Zhuni.
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@OCTO patience my friend, something out of the dragon kiln is going to join the fleet :)

Christmas came early this year and 2018 finishes on a successful hunting note!
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Emmett is a good source for older pots, he sometimes has imperfect pots that are discounted that still function fully and make good tea. I got a 60s hongni with a firing spot for 400$ recently from him. Also, HYchen at 2088taiwan has recently reduced his prices for the 60 and 70s pots, while still probably more expensive than what you may be able to get them for around Asia, there not as crazy overpriced (imo) as before.
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Brent D 1300 for a authentic, pure Zhuni clay from Qing era is frankly not much. You pay more or slightly less for a modern (real and pure) Zhuni.
Totally agree. Not likely to come across legit zhuni for a more palatable price.

At least he knows pots like that are available should he decide to venture back into yixing game.
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Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:37 pm

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Emmett is a good source for older pots, he sometimes has imperfect pots that are discounted that still function fully and make good tea. I got a 60s hongni with a firing spot for 400$ recently from him. Also, HYchen at 2088taiwan has recently reduced his prices for the 60 and 70s pots, while still probably more expensive than what you may be able to get them for around Asia, there not as crazy overpriced (imo) as before.
I felt the same way when he first listed those 60’s pots. Nice clay but I wouldn’t have payed anywhere near $1000 for a tiny 60ml pot.
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Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:41 pm

Chadrinkincat wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:37 pm
Teachronicles wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:50 pm
Emmett is a good source for older pots, he sometimes has imperfect pots that are discounted that still function fully and make good tea. I got a 60s hongni with a firing spot for 400$ recently from him. Also, HYchen at 2088taiwan has recently reduced his prices for the 60 and 70s pots, while still probably more expensive than what you may be able to get them for around Asia, there not as crazy overpriced (imo) as before.
I felt the same way when he first listed those 60’s pots. Nice clay but I wouldn’t have payed anywhere near $1000 for a tiny 60ml pot.
I got burned early on paying about 1k for an 80ml 4 cup sixties pot. I don't regret it much cause its one of my nicest pots, I just know better now and won't dish out that much for a similar pot again.
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Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:50 pm

@Teachronicles

$1000 is reasonable if it’s a pot you’d likely never come accross again. Thankfully this doesn’t seem like the case.
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Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:27 pm

Bok wrote:
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Brent D 1300 for a authentic, pure Zhuni clay from Qing era is frankly not much. You pay more or slightly less for a modern (real and pure) Zhuni.
For sure its more reasonable, but still around twice what id pay for a teapot. I could see myself spending around 700 tops on a pot, but its interesting. It seems once you get over the $300-$400 range, pots skyrocket to over $1000usd.
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Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:58 am

Brent D wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:27 pm
Bok wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:26 am
Brent D 1300 for a authentic, pure Zhuni clay from Qing era is frankly not much. You pay more or slightly less for a modern (real and pure) Zhuni.
For sure its more reasonable, but still around twice what id pay for a teapot. I could see myself spending around 700 tops on a pot, but its interesting. It seems once you get over the $300-$400 range, pots skyrocket to over $1000usd.
This old quote from Kyarazen from the old forum comes to mind:

“proportions like 1 50s pot is like 2 60s pots, which is like 4-5 70s pot, or 10+ green label pots, which will probably be 20 fangyuan label pots etc”

If you calculate that backward with current prices, the numbers for 60s and onwards fit right in. I can confirm that to be the case for prices in Taiwan. On the high end, prices for teapots are higher than what people would pay in the West, for the lower, younger pots the prices seem proportionally higher in the west. 80-90s pots are really easy and cheap to come buy. Difficulties start from 70-60s onwards, not cheap at all any longer, also due to demand by collectors (beginner level).
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