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Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:52 am

Chadrinkincat wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:37 pm
Clay sheen looks artificial.
The sheen is in the realm of possible, I had pots like this, once you clean them they look as new, although they are 100y old. Robust usage will produce this in no time even for newer pots. The red clay glaze on CZ can look very bacon-shiny :mrgreen:
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estimated at €400
Too risky... that pot alone does not look worth 400 and it is what you are after. Better spent 400 on one good one than on four times crap.
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Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:56 am

Also impossible to be sure how good and real it is without seeing more details of it. Never buy a pot you have not seen the inside and bottom.
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Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:26 am

Back from Guangzhou, where I met a few old and new friends from CZ, an evening of Dancong and clay from these mountains is in order...

Not one of the teas I bought on the trip, those will need to rest a bit from the travel, before I compare them to my benchmark Dancongs.

In regards to CZ clay, my friend from there told me that to the best of his knowledge, claypots from CZ do not use local clay anymore, as it has been almost depleted. The vast majority is brought in from elsewhere. No wonder then that there is so much conflicting information on CZ clays properties!

This pot in the picture is from the 80-90s and does a very nice job on this Duckshit Dancong :)
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Fri May 03, 2019 12:32 pm

Hello Bok, I have been warned when I visit Chaozhou, ain't I?
As promised I took some pictures of a teapot. Could this one be a Chaozhou teapot?
Please give me your opinion. Best regards, Pieter
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Fri May 03, 2019 6:53 pm

@Pieter W. what is most essential to determine any teapots ID is the inside. But even without, I can tell you that this is likely not a very good pot, looks like it has been mould injected and not wheel thrown. See the mould line on the handle?
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Sat May 04, 2019 4:52 am

Pieter W. wrote:
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Could this one be a Chaozhou teapot?
The style of your teapot reminds me a bit of Nixing Qinzhou pottery, or its imitation. Sadly the quality looks not very good.
(Just for comparison https://chinbeetea.com/product/nixing-q ... ay-teapot/)
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Sat May 04, 2019 7:49 am

@Pieter W.

I’d suggest buying a standard shape CZ pot from a reputable vendor as a proper hands on way of learning about CZ clay.

The only thing you’ll learn from the 2 pots you’ve posted is what not to buy again.
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.m. wrote:
Sat May 04, 2019 4:52 am
Pieter W. wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 12:32 pm
Could this one be a Chaozhou teapot?
The style of your teapot reminds me a bit of Nixing Qinzhou pottery, or its imitation. Sadly the quality looks not very good.
(Just for comparison https://chinbeetea.com/product/nixing-q ... ay-teapot/)
Thats what I was thinking too. I’ve been noticing a lot of these popping up online lately.
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Sat May 04, 2019 8:11 am

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I’d suggest buying a standard shape CZ pot from a reputable vendor as a proper hands on way of learning about CZ clay.
Agreed.

Just I would not even know who to recommend for CZ pots... I got my modern one from China, but I have not seen this quality offered online.
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Sat May 04, 2019 9:08 am

Bok wrote:
Sat May 04, 2019 8:11 am
Chadrinkincat wrote:
Sat May 04, 2019 7:49 am
I’d suggest buying a standard shape CZ pot from a reputable vendor as a proper hands on way of learning about CZ clay.
Agreed.

Just I would not even know who to recommend for CZ pots... I got my modern one from China, but I have not seen this quality offered online.
Maybe Tea habitat since they’ve been around for awhile and they’re pots are fairly inexpensive. https://www.teahabitat.com/store/index. ... HOoi8iVoo0

And something like this. No idea if it’s usable but it’s a good representation of older CZ for someone trying to learn.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre ... 3171545112
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Sat May 04, 2019 10:46 am

Thanks a lot for your reply. In October this year, I visit Chaozhou. Is there a vendor who is trustworthy?
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Sat May 04, 2019 7:20 pm

@Pieter W. no idea. It would surprise me if anyone apart from vendors would have any contacts... and not sure if they would disclose their sources.

At least you will have some choices to pick from! I wouldn’t count on anything vintage though, very difficult to find in China. Antique even less and at horrendous prices.
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Sun May 05, 2019 12:25 am

Pieter W. wrote:
Sat May 04, 2019 10:46 am
Thanks a lot for your reply. In October this year, I visit Chaozhou. Is there a vendor who is trustworthy?
As far as I know there are very few CZ collectors on this forum so it’s highly unlikely that your gonna get a recommendations for shops in China. Your best bet is to spend time online figuring out what a decent pot looks like and blindly walk into some shops until you find something. Also CZ pots aren’t highly prized in the same way that yixing are so I’m sure you can easily find something decent w/o get completely ripped off.
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Sun May 05, 2019 1:22 am

This information is useful to me. If you like I can collect some hammer prices of CZ teapots (I think) in Dutch auctions.
Best regards, Pieter
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