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Bok wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 14, 2023 9:36 pm

Andrew S ha! Indeed quite similar! Mengchen stamp?

No, a little bit more fancy...

Andrew

I also have one of the finer examples. They were capable but generally CZ pots are rough. Like the country cousin to Yixing.

Calyx Nursery seal:
Wear marks from use:

Prettty!

Bok wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 14, 2023 10:42 pm

Prettty!

Thank you, Bok. I’m surprised I don’t have more recent or better photos of it. It catches my eye every time I walk past my tea table. I’ll have to get the Mamiya RZ67 out for some beauty shots soon.

A little late to the Chaozhou party, here is my recent adoption. This little guy had a broken spout, I speculated that the previous owner attempted to modify it into a canon spout. The pour was affected by the uneven opening of the sprout tip. After a good spa, deep cleaning, and refining the sprout, this will be my first Chaozhou teapot

Still looks good. I hope you enjoy it.

Nice one! I suspect the spout was chipped and to fix it in a simple way they sanded it straight.

@Baisao and @Bok
Have you figured out the red coating on the outside of some chaozhou pots? It reminds me of zini coated hongni yixing wares.

DailyTX wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 26, 2023 10:22 pm

Baisao and Bok
Have you figured out the red coating on the outside of some chaozhou pots? It reminds me of zini coated hongni yixing wares.

Figured out in what sense? It's red slurry, has been done like this on all old Shantou ware, up until the 90s. I recon without it, the outside would stain quickly and in a not so nice looking way. The new Shantou stuff is mostly obviously a very different clay at the base.

Addon:
There are some very thinly coated ones, that almost look like they have no coating, but they do have a thin shiny layer. Then you have the better ones with several layers of coating, almost like a premium Piano.

Guess the popularity of red over orange/brown might have something to do with it, but then there is also brown coated Shantou, so... remains a murky affair.

Bok wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 26, 2023 10:32 pm

DailyTX wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 26, 2023 10:22 pm

Baisao and Bok
Have you figured out the red coating on the outside of some chaozhou pots? It reminds me of zini coated hongni yixing wares.

Figured out in what sense? It's red slurry, has been done like this on all old Shantou ware, up until the 90s. I recon without it, the outside would stain quickly and in a not so nice looking way. The new Shantou stuff is mostly obviously a very different clay at the base.

I have read casually that the coating was done to imitate Yixing, and to hide the 'rough' clay underneath, but you and others would know much more, I'm sure.

Andrew

Bok wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 26, 2023 10:32 pm

DailyTX wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 26, 2023 10:22 pm

Baisao and Bok
Have you figured out the red coating on the outside of some chaozhou pots? It reminds me of zini coated hongni yixing wares.

Guess the popularity of red over orange/brown might have something to do with it, but then there is also brown coated Shantou, so... remains a murky affair.

Historically, Chinese people did favor red and purple colors.

DailyTX wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 27, 2023 12:05 am

Historically, Chinese people did favor red and purple colors.

Still do as far as I can tell from where I am sitting

DailyTX wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 27, 2023 12:05 am

Bok wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 26, 2023 10:32 pm

DailyTX wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 26, 2023 10:22 pm

Baisao and Bok
Have you figured out the red coating on the outside of some chaozhou pots? It reminds me of zini coated hongni yixing wares.

Guess the popularity of red over orange/brown might have something to do with it, but then there is also brown coated Shantou, so... remains a murky affair.

Historically, Chinese people did favor red and purple colors.

Japanese as well.

I think it may be tied to the cinnabar ink used in official stamps. Considering the Chinese historical infatuation with mercury I have an intuitive sense there was an association with the cinnabar color and longevity. Cinnabar is of course the source for elemental mercury.

Baisao wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 27, 2023 12:35 am

Japanese as well.

Is it? From casual observation it seems to me that Japanese teaware is much more drawn to dark, muted and blackish colours, rather than red.

nice one @DailyTX. I've seen quite a few damaged pots, both CZ and yixing, where they file them down like this and I think its always quite a nice look. Some shuiping bodies I think look nicer with the modified canon spout than some actual variations on the ju lun shape do.

I feel like the slurry coating also changed over time as the blends of CZ clay did too, or varied from studio to studio. so maybe it wasn't so much a fixed or important blend of clay as much as 'smooth and red'. I have an Anshun pot that I would guess is on the later end of things, 80s? 90s?, with enamel decoration. Despite having seen pretty heavy use the slurry coating doesn't really take on quite the same sheen as older ones.