Nei Zi Wai Hong vs Zini

[Brent D]

Im looking at 2 pots. Both are green label.
One is a Nei Zi Wai Hong, the other is a pure Zini. The all zini is quite a bit more expensive.
This puzzles me. Did they use inferior clay on the Nei Zi Wai Hongs? I would think as far as brewing goes, they would be the same.

[Bok]

Im looking at 2 pots. Both are green label.
One is a Nei Zi Wai Hong, the other is a pure Zini. The all zini is quite a bit more expensive.
This puzzles me. Did they use inferior clay on the Nei Zi Wai Hongs? I would think as far as brewing goes, they would be the same.

Probably not 100% the same, the NZW might have different properties due to the red clay coating. Price is also linked to workmanship and not all clays were created equal in factory times. Seems to have been a lot of up and downs, so that pot just might be better made?

[Chadrinkincat]

A number of more informed collectors have said nzwh are often made with lower quality clay so that prob accounts for some price difference.

Also Imho nzwh tend to look a bit more sloppy with red coating and as such I wouldn't pay as much for one. I'm prob not the only one that feels that way so that likely has an effect on price too.

[OCTO]

Im looking at 2 pots. Both are green label.
One is a Nei Zi Wai Hong, the other is a pure Zini. The all zini is quite a bit more expensive.
This puzzles me. Did they use inferior clay on the Nei Zi Wai Hongs? I would think as far as brewing goes, they would be the same.

I have came across green label F1 pots of various qualities and grades, ZiNi and NZWH alike.

I don’t think it’s accurate to say that NZWH uses inferior clay and it’s lretty hard to generalize this way too. Majority of pots from F1 back in those days are meant for the masses. Only a handful of masters would be given priority of use when it comes to GradeA clay. I’ve came across many 70s (green label) NZWH that uses high grade ZiSha and ZhuNi clay paint that makes any collector go gaga...

My 2cents..

Cheers!

[Bok]

So as always in the endless mess that Yixing is – it depends, no definite answers to be found…

Kind of have to appreciate Japanese Teaware on the other hand: If you opt for one particular potter, style and material, you know the quality will always be the same.

[Chadrinkincat]

Im looking at 2 pots. Both are green label.
One is a Nei Zi Wai Hong, the other is a pure Zini. The all zini is quite a bit more expensive.
This puzzles me. Did they use inferior clay on the Nei Zi Wai Hongs? I would think as far as brewing goes, they would be the same.

I have came across green label F1 pots of various qualities and grades, ZiNi and NZWH alike.

I don’t think it’s accurate to say that NZWH uses inferior clay and it’s lretty hard to generalize this way too. Majority of pots from F1 back in those days are meant for the masses. Only a handful of masters would be given priority of use when it comes to GradeA clay. I’ve came across many 70s (green label) NZWH that uses high grade ZiSha and ZhuNi clay paint that makes any collector go gaga...

My 2cents..

Cheers!

Curious to hear your thoughts on quality of this zini clay.

[OCTO]

Curious to hear your thoughts on quality of this zini clay.

Hi...

It is ZiSha... doesn’t look like ZiNi to me.

The clay appears aged (70s - 80s). Honestly, it’s pretty hard to comment on the quality of clay based on a photograph. Best is still to feel the texture, hand feel, weight, true color and workmanship.

From the photo, this appears to be a 80s workmanship using aged ZiSha. How does the pot feel in your hands?

Correct me if i’m wrong, this is the smaller 200cc version. I am attaching a bigger 80s version for your viewing pleasure. You can see the similarity in workmanship.

Cheers!

[Chadrinkincat]

Curious to hear your thoughts on quality of this zini clay.

Hi...

It is ZiSha... doesn’t look like ZiNi to me.

The clay appears aged (70s - 80s). Honestly, it’s pretty hard to comment on the quality of clay based on a photograph. Best is still to feel the texture, hand feel, weight, true color and workmanship.

From the photo, this appears to be a 80s workmanship using aged ZiSha. How does the pot feel in your hands?

Correct me if i’m wrong, this is the smaller 200cc version. I am attaching a bigger 80s version for your viewing pleasure. You can see the similarity in workmanship.

Cheers!

Thanks for your input! Glad to see you also have one of these pots.

Yes this is small version around 200cc. Clay has a nice coarse yet silky feel to it. Could just be due to firing level but it seems like clay is on the nicer side. Craftsmanship looks fairly decent with crisp details.

[OCTO]

Thanks for your input! Glad to see you also have one of these pots.

Yes this is small version around 200cc. Clay has a nice coarse yet silky feel to it. Could just be due to firing level but it seems like clay is on the nicer side. Craftsmanship looks fairly decent with crisp details.

Yes... “nice coarse texture with a silky smooth feel” that’s a pretty spot on description of 70s ZISha.

Crisp details are mostly seen during the 80s - 90s. Earlier pots are more geared towards functionality than aesthetics.

My 2cents.

Cheers!