Factory or Faketory?

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tingjunkie
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Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:05 pm

Very different clay used on those, compared to mine. Looks like nice clay, nonetheless.
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steanze
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Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:05 pm

My 2 cents...

First one is real, F1 1970s.
Second one looks like green label but I have some doubts about the base.
Third one, fake. Clay is wrong, workmanship all over the place (lid profile is off), the qing yin pot was not made with that seal...
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tingjunkie
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Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:07 am

Plenty of shui pings...

Pot #5: 95ml Hongni

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Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:27 am

I'm gna say faketory on #5
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Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:46 pm

Again, I've never seen this exact four gentlemen pot, but it looks good and well crafted. Gonna say this one is real too. The clay on #2 looks exactly like my green label qsn.
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Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:47 pm

Both #4 and #5 look fake.

#4 clay doesn't look right. Every similar looking pot design I've seen online is non f1 90-00.

#5 air hole is goofy, inside and bottom odd too.
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Pot #6: 130ml Nei Zi Wai Hong with tray and cups.

I'm very interested to hear opinions/info on this one. My understanding is that the Nei Zi Wai Hong pots of the 70's onward usually had a cup size stamp inside the lid. I used to own a 130ml NZWH pot from the 1960's that had a 79 inside the lid, which I understand was an individual artist or a particular group of potters inside F1. This pot is 130ml and has a 3 inside the lid. Obviously a 3 doesn't correspond to the cup size, so perhaps its a different artist or group of potters? The pot looks very clean to be from 1960's though. I'm perplexed.

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Odd little white dot embedded in the lid.
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Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:37 pm

60's pot with 73 stamped in lid sounds highly unlikely. Everything I've read indicates that numbers didn't appear until green label and that they aren't related to cup size.

This pot looks like 80's.
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Chadrinkincat wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:37 pm
60's pot with 73 stamped in lid sounds highly unlikely. Everything I've read indicates that numbers didn't appear until green label and that they aren't related to cup size.

This pot looks like 80's.
Sorry, I corrected my above post, it was a 79. But that doesn't change your point. Do you know if the numbers were a particular worker, or a group of workers? Or something different entirely?
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Chadrinkincat wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:47 pm

#5 air hole is goofy, inside and bottom odd too.
My best guess is that this was a private workshop pot from around '93 for export to Taiwan. Does that sound right to you? Did Factory 2-5 ever use the 6 character Mengchen seal?
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Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:51 pm

I'm really enjoying how some pots are getting varied opinions on their authenticity. I hope Dr. Lu or another expert might swoop in and give us some definitive answers. :mrgreen:
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tingjunkie wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:51 pm
I'm really enjoying how some pots are getting varied opinions on their authenticity. I hope Dr. Lu or another expert might swoop in and give us some definitive answers. :mrgreen:
You can post them on Dr.Lv's facebook group :)
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steanze wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:57 pm
tingjunkie wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:51 pm
I'm really enjoying how some pots are getting varied opinions on their authenticity. I hope Dr. Lu or another expert might swoop in and give us some definitive answers. :mrgreen:
You can post them on Dr.Lv's facebook group :)
Yeah I don’t think he follows this forum too closely, fB is quicker and there are other experts there too
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Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:33 pm

Pot #6 looks to be Green Label. I agree with chadrinkincat, the numbers first appeared in the Green Label period. If I remember correctly, it refers to a group of workers vs an individual. The clay also looks like Green Label. Coating is a bit rough though
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