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Looks Interesting?
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 7:56 pm
by ShuShu
I have a sensitivity for bian dengs and flat teapots more generally. Came across this thing... what do you think?
Many things look odd here, but does it look safe to use?

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Re: Looks Interesting?
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 8:38 pm
by Bok
Definitely looks interesting! Could be rubbish or a lucky strike! I would go for a deep clean and see how it turns out.
For the rest I let the more knowledgeable speak.
I have seen a few also oddly shaped biandeng which usually were quite old. 60ies.
Re: Looks Interesting?
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 9:52 pm
by ShuShu
Bok wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 8:38 pm
Definitely looks interesting! Could be rubbish or a lucky strike! I would go for a deep clean and see how it turns out.
For the rest I let the more knowledgeable speak.
I have seen a few also oddly shaped biandeng which usually were quite old. 60ies.
Thanks...Yea, I'm far from being an expert, but the lid looks somewhat weird (seems too flat), and I have never seen such seal.
Re: Looks Interesting?
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 10:13 pm
by Bok
ShuShu wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 9:52 pm
Bok wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 8:38 pm
Definitely looks interesting! Could be rubbish or a lucky strike! I would go for a deep clean and see how it turns out.
For the rest I let the more knowledgeable speak.
I have seen a few also oddly shaped biandeng which usually were quite old. 60ies.
Thanks...Yea, I'm far from being an expert, but the lid looks somewhat weird (seems too flat), and I have never seen such seal.
I have seen a few ones with flat lid, most of them at least 60ies or even ROC Qing. There is one guy in Japan who has a crazy antique, not vintage! collection and I remember seeing those flat lids and slightly wonky proportions.
Re: Looks Interesting?
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 10:15 pm
by Bok
Don’t want to get your hopes up but you might have found yourself something older than you hoped for!
Can you make some closeups if the clay? What are those white dots? Paint or in the clay?
Re: Looks Interesting?
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 10:28 pm
by ShuShu
Bok wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 10:15 pm
Don’t want to get your hopes up but you might have found yourself something older than you hoped for!
Can you make some closeups if the clay? What are those white dots? Paint or in the clay?
Its not mine yet....

A friend got it.
Though I think I'll take it even if its not very old...I really like the shape. I thought to share it since I really like to learn how to identify the old stuff and I'm concerned is that it is made of some icky stuff in order to make it look old...(happened to me once

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Re: Looks Interesting?
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 12:07 am
by Bok
I would go for it!
check out this is the Japanese guy with the amazing collection, very good for seeing the variety of possibilities and some really antique stuff :
https://www.instagram.com/lingmu780/
Similar pot to yours:
http://zishaartgallery.com/product/%E6% ... 5%A3%B6-2/
Check Dr Lu, he posted a pot of his, which also had a much flatter lid than usually seen these days. Would also post on their FB group once you own the pot. Someone there will probably have a hint!
What I would definitely do, is to
very carefully sand the spout until it is even again, otherwise the waterflow might get annoying and the overall look will improve as well.
Re: Looks Interesting?
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 12:37 am
by Baisao
The poor definition of the chop suggest that it is slipcast. Can you find any other indications that it slipcast (for example, concave dimples on the inside where the handle connects; or mold lines)?
The color is peculiar to me. It is darker than regular hongni, as though some iron had been added to the clay to make it darker.
From the photos it appears to be a slipcast replica of an antique teapot. I would have to have more photos or hold it in my own hands to tell more about it.
Re: Looks Interesting?
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 1:38 am
by Bok
Baisao wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 12:37 am
The color is peculiar to me. It is darker than regular hongni, as though some iron had been added to the clay to make it darker.
You are right about the dark red – unless it is an antique like the ones from the Japanese collection I linked to, where a lot of the pots have this rich dark tones.
I guess better close-ups of stamp, clay and spout would help to determine more details.
Re: Looks Interesting?
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 4:15 am
by .m.
Looks good to me so far. Could be a chaozhou pot?
Re: Looks Interesting?
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 6:20 am
by ShuShu
It does look pretty red, but as Bok says, I have seen hongnis from the 60s that can look pretty red.
This is the only inside picture I have. Certainly not a very good pic. I have asked for more pictures. I'll update when (or if) I get anything.

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Re: Looks Interesting?
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 4:47 pm
by ShuShu
Some more pictures...
Actually, now it doesn't look very promising I think...

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Re: Looks Interesting?
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 7:44 pm
by Chadrinkincat
Not yixing. Possibly CZ based on interior lines and way spout opening is done.
Re: Looks Interesting?
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 7:48 pm
by ShuShu
Chadrinkincat wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 7:44 pm
Possibly CZ based on ....and way spout opening is done.
Thanks! could you explain what you mean by "the way spout opening is done"?
Re: Looks Interesting?
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 7:56 pm
by Chadrinkincat
ShuShu wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 7:48 pm
Chadrinkincat wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 7:44 pm
Possibly CZ based on ....and way spout opening is done.
Thanks! could you explain what you mean by "the way spout opening is done"?
It looks goofy/sloppy in a way that looks like most other vintage CZ pots I've seen.