Biandeng, opinions

[Teachronicles]

Bok, did you get this from emmett?

No, locally purchased in Taiwan! Wouldn’t make sense for me to buy from the US if I have it at my doorstep. Just more tricky to wade through the fakes, too many other people looking for this stuff here. Although most are after the real treasures. F1 seems not to be in great demand with the local audience, maybe too prevalent.

Haha "too prevalent" they should send 'em to the US, I'd buy em, there's really only a handful of reliable vendors for Westerners to buy f1 pots.

Ya I was eyeing it, but someone snatched it up before I could make up mind. Oh well.

Maybe steanze can answer this, but I wonder how rare ROC pots are, even in the east. I'm guessing very old pots are what your referring to with real treasures.

[Bok]

Haha "too prevalent" they should send 'em to the US, I'd buy em, there's really only a handful of reliable vendors for Westerners to buy f1 pots.

Ya I was eyeing it, but someone snatched it up before I could make up mind. Oh well.

Maybe steanze can answer this, but I wonder how rare ROC pots are, even in the east. I'm guessing very old pots are what your referring to with real treasures.

Anything before F1 seems to be what people are after. I do think that the chances to find some in Taiwan are higher than in China.

[steanze]

Maybe steanze can answer this, but I wonder how rare ROC pots are, even in the east. I'm guessing very old pots are what your referring to with real treasures.

ROC pots are fairly rare. Still, there is a lot of variation in the level of ROC pots. Most pots are utilitarian pots - good clay, handmade, above the F1 level but not at an artistic level. Then there's the very few made by top artists of the time like the one by Fan Dasheng in the pictures, which are what I guess Bok is referring to as "real treasures".

[tealifehk]

Hmmm I don't think this is a F1 pot because of the tool marks left over. My green label six-character seals are different too. I'd say this pot is 90s dingzi (Taiwan is flooded with the stuff). There is lots of F1 demand in Taiwan, but it's for perfect pots and/or collectible pots. Taiwan is flooded with fake and replica pots as well, and has been for a long time! Lots of 'remakes' around as well.

What matters is that it makes good tea!

[steanze]

I think green label is a big separator. Pre green labels are usually sought after and fetch quite high prices. Green label and later are considered more common

[dfo]

90s dingzi (Taiwan is flooded with the stuff).

What is dingzi?

[tealifehk]

I found another biandeng from the same period and it was also somewhat poorly finished, so I guess the biandengs were made a little rougher than I'm used to! Pretty cool pot. I don't have one and would like to try one some time!

[tealifehk]

90s dingzi (Taiwan is flooded with the stuff).

What is dingzi?

My pinyin may be a little off there, but it refers to pots made outside the Factories in the 90s and 2000s, sometimes with good clay.

[Chadrinkincat]

I found another biandeng from the same period and it was also somewhat poorly finished, so I guess the biandengs were made a little rougher than I'm used to! Pretty cool pot. I don't have one and would like to try one some time!

A significant portion of pots from late 70-90's are poorly finished imho. These were mass produced more so than previous periods and lacked significant quality control measures. Praised for the clay not the craftsmanship.

[Bok]

Although the little imperfections have their charme in their own way.

As long as it doesn’t affect the brewing, I don’t mind and actually like those rough around the edges beauties.

[Chadrinkincat]

Although the little imperfections have their charme in their own way.

As long as it doesn’t affect the brewing, I don’t mind and actually like those rough around the edges beauties.

I like the imprefrections to as long as they're mostly cosmetic.

Not sure what the cost was for these pots originally but it's pretty safe to assume they were very cheap so it's unlikely that anybody was pulling pots that had a few too many tool marks.

[Bok]

Would be interesting how much the original retail price was for these pots! I am guessing not much more than 10/20 $

[steanze]

Imperfections on the inside of the pots are very common in F1, and even during ROC, even in master pots. The idea of perfecting the inside of a pot and not only the outside is relatively recent. Original retail for many F1 pots was around $10/20 but it would be important to normalize that by the cost of life at the time to get a better sense.

[tealifehk]

Imperfections on the inside of the pots are very common in F1, and even during ROC, even in master pots. The idea of perfecting the inside of a pot and not only the outside is relatively recent. Original retail for many F1 pots was around $10/20 but it would be important to normalize that by the cost of life at the time to get a better sense.

These biandengs have more exterior issues than any of my F1s from the later periods, which surprises me!

[steanze]

These biandengs have more exterior issues than any of my F1s from the later periods, which surprises me!

Interesting - you mean including the one in this post? What exterior issues do you see?