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Re: Yixing advice
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:08 pm
by Chadrinkincat
Brent D wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:15 pm
I think for many of us here in the west, these 70s pots are pretty much unobtainable. If you can manage to find them, the prices are way out of line (over $1000).
This puts the westerner in a very tough situation. From my reading, I have gotten the impression that Hongni after 1977 is not even worth getting. Zini is a bit better after this time, but still has a mediocre at best effect on tea.
So my yixing question is this: At what point am I just getting a pot for the sake of getting a pot and should save my money because it has no effect on my tea? At what period and clay type have I actually invested in something that is worth my time, effort and money? I can appreciate that the older it gets, the better it gets is a general rule, but from all my reading, If im going to buy a lazer label hongni, I should just use porcelain and save my money.
Where are you seeing 70's pots for min $1000?
Re: Yixing advice
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:33 pm
by Bok
Chen Hua Ying (he seems to have misspelled his own name
) has some 60s for almost 2000 USD on his website.
Re: Yixing advice
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:36 pm
by Bok
HouDe Asian art has some high end old pots as well.
Apart from those no other vendors which is Western facing has the higher end pots. All the rest is the less desirable later periods. Probably why they are widely available as the serious Asian collectors ignore them
Re: Yixing advice
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:41 pm
by Teachronicles
Bok wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:33 pm
Chen Hua Ying (he seems to have misspelled his own name
) has some 60s for almost 2000 USD on his website.
I believe there around ~1300. Either way that's probably a lot more than most people are willing to pay.
Re: Yixing advice
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:52 pm
by Brent D
Teachronicles wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:41 pm
Bok wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:33 pm
Chen Hua Ying (he seems to have misspelled his own name
) has some 60s for almost 2000 USD on his website.
I believe there around ~1300. Either way that's probably a lot more than most people are willing to pay.
when you consider that they go for around 300 if you find them in China...ya, I’m out
Re: Yixing advice
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:17 pm
by steanze
Brent D wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:52 pm
Teachronicles wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:41 pm
Bok wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:33 pm
Chen Hua Ying (he seems to have misspelled his own name
) has some 60s for almost 2000 USD on his website.
I believe there around ~1300. Either way that's probably a lot more than most people are willing to pay.
when you consider that they go for around 300 if you find them in China...ya, I’m out
mm I haven't seen 60s pots for $300 in China. I agree that $1300 is a lot but for $300 you might get a 70s, not 60s
Re: Yixing advice
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:35 pm
by Brent D
steanze wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:17 pm
Brent D wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:52 pm
Teachronicles wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:41 pm
I believe there around ~1300. Either way that's probably a lot more than most people are willing to pay.
when you consider that they go for around 300 if you find them in China...ya, I’m out
mm I haven't seen 60s pots for $300 in China. I agree that $1300 is a lot but for $300 you might get a 70s, not 60s
yup, sorry I didn’t clarify. I am talking 70s, pre 77.
Re: Yixing advice
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:12 am
by Chadrinkincat
Not sure I could justify that kinda money on a pot. The $1000+ range seems more for collection than actual usage imo. Well unless I was rich or only wanted to own a couple pots than I might think differently.
Re: Yixing advice
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:46 am
by Bok
The chances of finding one in China though are probably pretty slim...
In part you also pay the price for someone’s expertise to track down these things and weed out the fakes, helping you avoid tuition fees.
Still, doesn’t hurt to be on the lookout, I‘ve seen some dusty boxes full of old pots on country side trips in Taiwan. Back then I lacked interest and knowledge to have a closer look - now I don’t have the time to find those places again...
Re: Yixing advice
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:35 am
by Brent D
Items are worth what someone will pay. If you can sell a pot for $1000+ why wouldnt you?
I have no problem paying an "out of towners tax", but you have to draw a line somewhere. This line is a personal thing for everyone. I know where mine is.
Re: Yixing advice
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:38 am
by steanze
Chadrinkincat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:12 am
Not sure I could justify that kinda money on a pot. The $1000+ range seems more for collection than actual usage imo. Well unless I was rich or only wanted to own a couple pots than I might think differently.
I agree. There have to be aesthetic/historical considerations in place to justify a price like that (from a buyer's perspective).
Re: Yixing advice
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:58 am
by Bok
steanze wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:38 am
Chadrinkincat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:12 am
Not sure I could justify that kinda money on a pot. The $1000+ range seems more for collection than actual usage imo. Well unless I was rich or only wanted to own a couple pots than I might think differently.
I agree. There have to be aesthetic/historical considerations in place to justify a price like that (from a buyer's perspective).
It’s a bit like the question of the highest quality teas. Is the proportionally much higher price in relation to a much higher enjoyment - or is it not that big of a difference...
Re: Yixing advice
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:13 am
by steanze
Bok wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:58 am
steanze wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:38 am
Chadrinkincat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:12 am
Not sure I could justify that kinda money on a pot. The $1000+ range seems more for collection than actual usage imo. Well unless I was rich or only wanted to own a couple pots than I might think differently.
I agree. There have to be aesthetic/historical considerations in place to justify a price like that (from a buyer's perspective).
It’s a bit like the question of the highest quality teas. Is the proportionally much higher price in relation to a much higher enjoyment - or is it not that big of a difference...
A bit. Although in the case of pots, I think it's different kinds of enjoyment - one thing is to enjoy a pot as a vessel to brew good tea, another is to enjoy it as a piece of art or history. After some price point, a more expensive pot might not make your tea better at all, but the difference in aesthetic or historical value could be large. Of course, in that case you might decide to buy a painting or listen to music if you prefer
or do both
Re: Yixing advice
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:46 am
by Bok
Brent D wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:35 am
Items are worth what someone will pay. If you can sell a pot for $1000+ why wouldnt you?
I have no problem paying an "out of towners tax", but you have to draw a line somewhere. This line is a personal thing for everyone. I know where mine is.
It seems that is where most Western people, including me, draw the line as to what they are willing to pay for a teapot... most of those $1000+ pots are still available.
Re: Yixing advice
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:10 pm
by Teachronicles
Bok wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:46 am
Brent D wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:35 am
Items are worth what someone will pay. If you can sell a pot for $1000+ why wouldnt you?
I have no problem paying an "out of towners tax", but you have to draw a line somewhere. This line is a personal thing for everyone. I know where mine is.
It seems that is where most Western people, including me, draw the line as to what they are willing to pay for a teapot... most of those $1000+ pots are still available.
Chen doesn't update the site when a pots been sold, I bought a pot that's still up, so I believe those pots have been sold. At least that's what he told me.
Edit: I should say he doesn't always update it, he does just not frequently I don't think.