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what do you think of this Zhuni?
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:22 am
by Brent D
Ive been planing to add a zhuni (non modern) to my collection. I usually wait for pots to drop into my lap, but today I decided to see if I could find one. I came across this. Trusted vendor and the clay looks right to my relatively novice eye. Id like to know your opinion.
Thanks
http://www.sampletea.com/product/1970s- ... apot-120ml
Re: what do you think of this Zhuni?
Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:58 am
by .m.
From what i heard other saying, no zhuni teapots were produced in factory 1.... Should be 90's or later... Vendor not so trusted...
Re: what do you think of this Zhuni?
Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:09 pm
by steanze
.m. wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:58 am
From what i heard other saying, no zhuni teapots were produced in factory 1....
that is correct. The pot is clearly a fake.
Re: what do you think of this Zhuni?
Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:08 pm
by Chris418
Not to defend the vendor but for the pot we're talking, the vendor didn't talk about a factory 1 pot...
IMO the clay looks nice but maybe not from 70's. It is pricey i think.
Chris.
Re: what do you think of this Zhuni?
Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:50 pm
by Elise
I also think it is a high price for a teapot with little but obvious defaults in the shape/symmetry.
Re: what do you think of this Zhuni?
Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:40 pm
by Chadrinkincat
Chris418 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:08 pm
Not to defend the vendor but for the pot we're talking, the vendor didn't talk about a factory 1 pot...
IMO the clay looks nice but maybe not from 70's. It is pricey i think.
Chris.
70's or older? That sorta implies it's F1.
Re: what do you think of this Zhuni?
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:19 am
by steanze
Chadrinkincat wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:40 pm
70's or older? That sorta implies it's F1.
That is also correct. In the 1970s all Yixing pots were produced by Factory 1. There's no such a thing as a 1970s non-Factory 1 yixing pot.
Re: what do you think of this Zhuni?
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:35 am
by Chi-Lin Lu
This is not F1 and 70s' pot. This shape and seal belongs to late Qing to early ROC, but the workmanship and clay is modern.
Re: what do you think of this Zhuni?
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:00 am
by Brent D
Thanks for the heads up folks. I thought this was a trusted vendor.
The search continues.
Re: what do you think of this Zhuni?
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:52 am
by peacener
sampletea was where I pretty much began my tuition. while they have had good pots in the past, never have they sold an authentic old zhuni pot. Most are modern 2000+ date made.
If you are near Hastings, MN, maybe we can arrange a future tea date and you can see in person real lao zhuni...
Best of luck in your hunt!
Re: what do you think of this Zhuni?
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:16 pm
by Brent D
peacener wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:52 am
sampletea was where I pretty much began my tuition. while they have had good pots in the past, never have they sold an authentic old zhuni pot. Most are modern 2000+ date made.
If you are near Hastings, MN, maybe we can arrange a future tea date and you can see in person real lao zhuni...
Best of luck in your hunt!
im in Milwaukee. Off I’m ever that way, I’ll hit you up.
So, where can you buy the real thing?
Re: what do you think of this Zhuni?
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 4:59 pm
by Chadrinkincat
Brent D wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:16 pm
So, where can you buy the real thing?
Your best chance of finding real zhuni is probably gonna be through a private collector in Asia. Its prob gonna cost more than $500 since the real thing would be made prior to 1958. Anything newer than that is fake or modern zhuni which is not the same thing. Honestly I'd suggest just buying a nice thin walled hong ni pot from 60-70 instead unless you already have a few.
Re: what do you think of this Zhuni?
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:03 pm
by Brent D
Ya, I do have a few older hongni. Looking to take it to the next level
Re: what do you think of this Zhuni?
Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 2:37 pm
by steanze
Brent D wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:03 pm
Ya, I do have a few older hongni. Looking to take it to the next level
Lao zhuni pots were made during Qing and ROC. Also within lao zhuni there are variations in quality
But if you can find a real one for $500 let me know
More likely that you'll pay at least $800-1000+ , depending on condition, clay, and level of craftsmanship. Also note that because of the high contraction rate and difficulty of controlling temperature in the old kilns, many Qing zhuni pots have relatively loose-fitting lid. So it will require a bit of extra gongfu, for aged puerh I think that's still manageable, for yancha it can get a bit tricky.
Re: what do you think of this Zhuni?
Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:01 pm
by Brent D
steanze wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2017 2:37 pm
Brent D wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:03 pm
Ya, I do have a few older hongni. Looking to take it to the next level
Lao zhuni pots were made during Qing and ROC. Also within lao zhuni there are variations in quality
But if you can find a real one for $500 let me know
More likely that you'll pay at least $800-1000+ , depending on condition, clay, and level of craftsmanship. Also note that because of the high contraction rate and difficulty of controlling temperature in the old kilns, many Qing zhuni pots have relatively loose-fitting lid. So it will require a bit of extra gongfu, for aged puerh I think that's still manageable, for yancha it can get a bit tricky.
Thanks. Cost isn’t the issue. Finding one for sale is.