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Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:53 pm

Darbotek wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:44 am
I can easily find 3-4 websites about Japanese potters and their signatures, but trying to find info about Yixing and the stamps felt more like trying to find a rare LP in a dusty, cluttered record shop where 75% of the stacks are just copies of Rumors and Dark Side of The Moon. Confusing and overwhelming lol.
That's probably about as good a description of learning about Yixing pots and clay as I've heard so far.

I don't own any NZWH pots, but I have heard that they pick up a shine rather quickly, so it'll be interesting to see how yours develops with use.
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Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:05 pm
I was confused since it's certainly the most reddish Zini I've seen (usually would expect a way less saturated brown), but then again I've never seen NZWH outside of pictures. So I was curious what you here might think.
Here's a few different zini clays, just as a very general illustration of the colours and shades that you can get.

I think that zini is under-rated compared to hongni and zhuni. There's lots of fun to be had with it.

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Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:19 pm

Well I thank the wizards of the Yixing for their help! I may not understand your powers, but I appreciate them. I paid $120, so as I said, as long as it doesn’t make my tea worse, I am happy.
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Darbotek wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:19 pm
Well I thank the wizards of the Yixing for their help! I may not understand your powers, but I appreciate them. I paid $120, so as I said, as long as it doesn’t make my tea worse, I am happy.
@Darbotek
$120 is not too bad for a
80s NZWH, a modern Yixing pot can easily cost higher than that. As for tea, black tea, fermented tea, or aged white may do well. Enjoy!
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DailyTX wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:43 pm
Darbotek wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:19 pm
Well I thank the wizards of the Yixing for their help! I may not understand your powers, but I appreciate them. I paid $120, so as I said, as long as it doesn’t make my tea worse, I am happy.
Darbotek
$120 is not too bad for a
80s NZWH, a modern Yixing pot can easily cost higher than that. As for tea, black tea, fermented tea, or aged white may do well. Enjoy!
Not quite a bargain yet, but yes, still better than for a modern one.
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Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:23 am

@Bok
It seems NZWH pots typically sell for lower than pure zini or zisha pots. Any idea why or just the preference of the market?
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Bok
It seems NZWH pots typically sell for lower than pure zini or zisha pots. Any idea why or just the preference of the market?
Most are of poor craftsmanship and sometimes the Zini is not as nice either.

There are exceptions though and the fully coated ones seem to be of much better make. Not sure why that is.
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Bok wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:39 am
DailyTX wrote:
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Bok
It seems NZWH pots typically sell for lower than pure zini or zisha pots. Any idea why or just the preference of the market?
Most are of poor craftsmanship and sometimes the Zini is not as nice either.

There are exceptions though and the fully coated ones seem to be of much better make. Not sure why that is.
@Bok thanks for the info, very interesting perspective. Exception is not a surprise when it comes to F1.
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DailyTX wrote:
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Bok
It seems NZWH pots typically sell for lower than pure zini or zisha pots. Any idea why or just the preference of the market?
As Bok mentioned, often the quality of the zini in NZWH is not as good as in pure zini pots, but sometimes it is.
Personally, instead, I quite dislike the fully coated ones, the workmanship is ok, but I find that the hongni slurry used on the surface is very very different from pure hongni.
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Any thoughts on this pot? I was told by 2 fellow collectors that is indeed Qing. One suggested Daoguang era zhuni.

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Any thoughts on this pot? I was told by 2 fellow collectors that is indeed Qing. One suggested Daoguang era zhuni.


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Looks indeed Mid-Qing to me rather than Late Qing… and Zhuni not Hongni.
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Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:42 pm

@Bok Thanks for chiming in on this one!

I thought the clay looked quite similar to a couple of the mid Qing pots from ZAG but I went with a more conservative date because the other butterfly themed pots I came across were dated late 1800’s. Clay looks different than my Fuji zhuni pot which make sense seeing as these were probably made 80-100 years apart.

It is kinda miraculous that this has survived for nearly 200 years. This might be my best find so far, better than my mint condition 60-70’s pots.
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Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:58 pm

Such a beauty, congrats! The paintings I see on yixing usually seem weird to me, somehow not matching in style with the rest of the pot. This one is so free & pure. Is this typical of Qing yixing?
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Chadrinkincat wrote:
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Bok Thanks for chiming in on this one!

I thought the clay looked quite similar to a couple of the mid Qing pots from ZAG but I went with a more conservative date because the other butterfly themed pots I came across were dated late 1800’s. Clay looks different than my Fuji zhuni pot which make sense seeing as these were probably made 80-100 years apart.

It is kinda miraculous that this has survived for nearly 200 years. This might be my best find so far, better than my mint condition 60-70’s pots.
It might be that the painting is a later addition, but don’t take my word for it. I’m not an expert on the differences of style for different periods.

It’s a fairly typical shape for Mid Qing I’d say, very nice find! Zhuni of that period is quite different to what is seen later.
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Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:31 pm

Chadrinkincat wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:52 pm
Any thoughts on this pot? I was told by 2 fellow collectors that is indeed Qing. One suggested Daoguang era zhuni.


Did you see this ebay auction that ended yesterday?
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/224801254364

The seller also sold these two pots.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/224801265561
https://www.ebay.com/itm/224801276792

I know too little to say anything about authenticity, but the latter two had me suspicious. No idea if that's warranted though :D
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