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Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:21 pm

Andrew S wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:10 pm
Chadrinkincat: even cracked, it looks like it was a bargain. I admire your ability to find these things on ebay of all places, and to take pleasure out of gambles like this.

If you don't mind my asking, where do you get staple repairs (or kintsugi repairs) done? I've heard of Nissan Haque who I think is based in New York city, but have no experience personally. Otherwise, I assume that these kinds of repairs are mostly done in Asia and without an online or Western-facing presence.

I'm asking both because I'm curious, and also because someone in the postal system has destroyed a nice old bowl that I got... Fortunately, not a teapot.

Andrew

It is a blessing and a curse. My Yixing addiction grows every time I find another old pot.

I actually haven’t had any of my pots fixed yet. Nissan is the only person I know of doing staple repairs in US.
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Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:07 pm

Andrew S wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:29 pm
DailyTX: thanks; actually it is zhu ni, I believe. Perhaps a tiny bit darker in tone than 'usual', though it could just be the cloudy day, It's drinking some yancha at the moment, so it's got a glow on.

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Whooweee!! Gotta love that Zhuni glow! Once you get a taste, it’s hard to venture far. I’m seeing red, again.
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Sat Jan 22, 2022 12:08 am

Andrew S wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:29 pm
DailyTX: thanks; actually it is zhu ni, I believe. Perhaps a tiny bit darker in tone than 'usual', though it could just be the cloudy day, It's drinking some yancha at the moment, so it's got a glow on.

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The lighting really make your pot shine 👍
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Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:17 pm

So... I browsed ZAG and somehow ended up buying this little guy.
It's cleaned and now I have to start figuring out how it influences my brews.
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It should be an 80s pot, but the clay description was kind of vague. Any guesses?
The description was "紫砂长咀西施壶", which, according to automated translation, is something like “Purple sand long-tipped xi shi pot”

Hongni, this, and zini next to each other.
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Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:32 pm

@kekstee: cute pot. I think that "长咀西施壶" refers to the long-spout Xi Shi shape, rather than the clay.

If you put "长咀西施壶" and just "西施壶" into two different Google image searches, you'll see the difference. For my part, I much prefer the shape of yours to that other style.

The clay looks like zini to my untrained eyes (and zisha often seems to be used to refer to zini for some reason), but others here will know better. I'm sure you'll have fun experimenting to see what it does to your teas.

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Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:01 pm

Andrew S wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:32 pm
kekstee: cute pot. I think that "长咀西施壶" refers to the long-spout Xi Shi shape, rather than the clay.

If you put "长咀西施壶" and just "西施壶" into two different Google image searches, you'll see the difference. For my part, I much prefer the shape of yours to that other style.

The clay looks like zini to my untrained eyes (and zisha often seems to be used to refer to zini for some reason), but others here will know better. I'm sure you'll have fun experimenting to see what it does to your teas.

Andrew
Yeah Zisha is a kind of vague term, used differently by different people. For collectors it often refers to a specific kind of Zini that is seen on antiques. Yours looks like the light kind of Zini typical of the 70-80s period. Also used for NZWH and NWLJ. Should be good for Puerh, nice pot!
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Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:54 pm

@kekstee
Nice little pot! Looks like a F2 pot.
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Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:58 am

Won this pot today, I know nothing about old Yixing, but ended up winning it for an amount I would be ok with going towards the cost of tuition. While it is currently in Japan, I am now the owner, so I am curious what y’all think!

The size it listed as 11.1 x 7.1 x 4.8 cm
Here’s all of the auction photos
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Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:12 am

@Darbotek Looks like early 80s Neiziwaihong, should be a good pot to use.
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Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:44 am

@Darbotek Lovely pot, congrats! I really like the shape, it's practical but beautiful & (at least to my untrained eyes) the spout-handle-body-knob balance is nice to look at. What gives it away as an 80s pot: shape, clay, or the small irregularities (knob, lid/rim), or something else?
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Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:46 am

.m. wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:12 am
Darbotek Looks like early 80s Neiziwaihong, should be a good pot to use.
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Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:44 am

.m. wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:12 am
Darbotek Looks like early 80s Neiziwaihong, should be a good pot to use.
Chadrinkincat wrote:
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+1
Comparing what I paid to other western facing F1 dealers, I am content with that knowledge. I would obviously hope for something a little older, just to avoid the additives period. But as long as it doesn’t make my tea worse, I am happy.
teatray wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:44 am
Darbotek Lovely pot, congrats! I really like the shape, it's practical but beautiful & (at least to my untrained eyes) the spout-handle-body-knob balance is nice to look at. What gives it away as an 80s pot: shape, clay, or the small irregularities (knob, lid/rim), or something else?
I am a sucker for anything wide and flat. My favorite Japanese pieces are similar.

I am curious about what gives it away as well. I had no intentions of getting into old Yixing, but while browsing Yahoo for some Blue and White stuff I came across it and decided to try my luck. So I was able to only do so much research and dang is it hard. I can easily find 3-4 websites about Japanese potters and their signatures, but trying to find info about Yixing and the stamps felt more like trying to find a rare LP in a dusty, cluttered record shop where 75% of the stacks are just copies of Rumors and Dark Side of The Moon. Confusing and overwhelming lol.
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Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:07 pm

It’s the minor details of the pot, knowledge about this style, and 2 tones color, and internal craftsmanship that gave this pot a possible date of 80s. That’s my guess :lol:
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Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:14 pm

@Darbotek If i remember correctly, these early 80's coated pots don't contain barium carbonate as additive, at least not the zini base clay, not sure about the red coating.
In this case the seal is an obvious indication to the green label period, so is the combination of red coating on a zini clay, plus it's one of the classic Factory 1 shapes. After that the big question is if the rest is consistent with it: the clay, the shape, and lot of possible details regarding the spout, the handle, the lid, the rim, the base etc... all this in relation to how much effort would somebody realistically put into faking/replicating this style of teapot...
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Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:05 pm

Bok wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:01 pm
Andrew S wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:32 pm
The clay looks like zini to my untrained eyes (and zisha often seems to be used to refer to zini for some reason), but others here will know better. I'm sure you'll have fun experimenting to see what it does to your teas.
Yours looks like the light kind of Zini typical of the 70-80s period. Also used for NZWH and NWLJ. Should be good for Puerh, nice pot!
I was confused since it's certainly the most reddish Zini I've seen (usually would expect a way less saturated brown), but then again I've never seen NZWH outside of pictures. So I was curious what you here might think.
Anyway, I really like the shape and if it's basically just nzwh base material then that's perfect. It has a quick pour and I do not own a comparable pot in this size.
There are two bigger tool marks that end in rough clay blobs on the inside, but I don't have to look at that :D
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