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Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:59 am

Mark-S wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:55 am
olivierd

Looks more like tea stains to me... but hard to say. I'd try to clean it with distilled vinegar and warm water. Then use a soft cloth.
Thanks Bok.
All thiings being relative, actual weight is 88gr and below is a spout pic.
I'll do as you say, again thanks a lot for looking into it.
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And just for the info, the vendor told me it is "a run-in trace of the lid from f1". And I don't know what this is, hence my posting/questioning, hoping for some understanding.
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Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:04 am

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Yes I was a bit surprised by these trace too, and it is said a hongni. They are only on the opening and inside of the lid lip ans a tiny one on the spout end.
I'd say for a 80ml it's heavy.
Would it be possible this is some kind of production/factory "rubbering " ?
Thanks for the replies.
I don’t think so.

Looks more like it’s Zini with Hongni coating. However, I have also seen this irregular clay on fakes...

I’m not so sure how different the workmanship was from 60 to 70s, but the way the inside is done on yours is quite different to my 60s Biandeng. But it might be nothing, have no 70s to compare here.

The handle does look a bit atypical though.

Otherwise as Mark said, cleaning it might be a good way to see if there’s more to it. Use sodium percarbonate if you have it.
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Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:05 am

olivierd wrote:
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And just for the info, the vendor told me it is "a run-in trace of the lid from f1". And I don't know what this is, hence my posting/questioning, hoping for some understanding.
I haven't the slightest idea what a "run-in trace" is other than a way of suggesting that it's imitating an F1 lid style, but if it's being sold as an F1 pot that doesn't really make sense.
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Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:08 am

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And just for the info, the vendor told me it is "a run-in trace of the lid from f1". And I don't know what this is, hence my posting/questioning, hoping for some understanding.
I don’t think so. Have never seen this kind of obvious colour difference in all the 60 and 70s clays I’ve handled. Anyone else want to chime in? Any Hongni actually. Excluding the fake Biandeng.

Hongni from that period should have uniform colour through to the core. No brown in there.
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Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:23 am

Bok wrote:
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I don’t think so.

Looks more like it’s Zini with Hongni coating. However, I have also seen this irregular clay on fakes...

I’m not so sure how different the workmanship was from 60 to 70s, but the way the inside is done on yours is quite different to my 60s Biandeng. But it might be nothing, have no 70s to compare here.

The handle does look a bit atypical though.

Otherwise as Mark said, cleaning it might be a good way to see if there’s more to it. Use sodium percarbonate if you have it.
This is a 60s from the same vendor.
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Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:40 am

olivierd wrote:
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This is a 60s from the same vendor.

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While this looks reasonably 60s to my amateur eye, it tells us nothing about the original pot in question. Many vendors here in Taiwan have some decent pots sitting next to things I'd hopefully have the wisdom not to buy. Not suggesting that your pot is an example of that, just that we can't assume the vendor only sells legitimate pots because some of them are legitimate.
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Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:42 am

@olivierd 60ml size, right?

Does the inside of the lid have any marks going around the inner lid skirt? See my picture.
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Also picture of underside if you have it would be helpful!
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Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:54 am

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olivierd 60ml size, right?

Does the inside of the lid have any marks going around the inner lid skirt? See my picture.
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Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:56 am

And yes 60ml.
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Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:58 am

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And yes 60ml.
Ok, that one has no issues :)

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Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:58 am

Bok wrote:
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olivierd wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:02 am
And just for the info, the vendor told me it is "a run-in trace of the lid from f1". And I don't know what this is, hence my posting/questioning, hoping for some understanding.
I don’t think so. Have never seen this kind of obvious colour difference in all the 60 and 70s clays I’ve handled. Anyone else want to chime in? Any Hongni actually. Excluding the fake Biandeng.

Hongni from that period should have uniform colour through to the core. No brown in there.
Photo from Kyarazen of plaster spots on 60’s pot.

Possible someone used a tool to grind it off on this pot? Or maybe staining on plaster residue. Maybe this it what vendor meant “ run-in trace of the lid”?
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Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:59 am

The 60s shuiping looks correct, the 70s biandeng does not look like hongni, neiwailinhong imo.
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Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:02 am

Thanks guys !
I have no reason to doubt the vendor. Agreed that everyone can be cheated, and the vendor might have been in that case.
"Run-in trace" unfortunately doesn't resonate to me, so I'm just trying to figure out.
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