Yixing

[pantry]

Hey everyone. I hope you're all having a nice day.

So, I bought this vintage Ju Lun Zhu, and the spout was a little wonky. I decided to use a file to try and get it looking better. My perception is gone from working on it so much, so I can no longer judge whether it looks even/good. What do y'all think?

Looks great to me!

Look at it again from my bigger screen. It's really cute! What's the approx. capacity?

[alejandro2high]

@pantry thanks! I looked at it again in the pictures and it does look better. Its 100mL made of Qing Shui No or Clear Water Mud. The clay is really clean and a great smooth Rocky texture. Doesn't have as much sweetening affect as my other Qing Shui Ni, but I love how it looks.

[pantry]

@alejandro2high Great find! I saw many of similarly shaped pudgy JLZ that doesn't look as alive/soulful as yours. Hope it serves you well

[Youzi]

Mark-S
Bok
Interesting, if Zhaozhuang zhuni is after 90s, then where did the zhuni in Qing / ROC came from? ( ignoring the fact, that antique zhuni is usually mixed)

I think he might be saying that most modern zhuni is not from zhaozhuang...

To my knowledge:
1) F1 made no zhuni pots.
2) Qing/ROC zhuni came from Zhaozhuang
3) most modern zhuni comes from Xiaomeiyao or Huanglongshan (although some still comes from zhaozhuang)
4) antique zhuni is sometimes mixed, but sometimes it is pure. When it is "mixed", it is mixed with other clay/sand to make it more resistant to shrinkage, but not with iron oxide or other chemicals.

That is what I know too. However XMY is out of operation. It was in operation from the 70s I think. The only mine in Dingshan I know of that produces Zhuni is Fudong, which is in operation.

[karma]

Hey everyone. I hope you're all having a nice day.

So, I bought this vintage Ju Lun Zhu, and the spout was a little wonky. I decided to use a file to try and get it looking better. My perception is gone from working on it so much, so I can no longer judge whether it looks even/good. What do y'all think?

mm! what a cute great little pot! that shape is my absolute favorite. where'd ya scoop such a nice lil fella? also got any before/after photos of the filing?

[Baisao]

About 10-15 years ago you could buy these pots in museum gift shops across the U.S. for $15-$45 dollars. Same with the other plant-themed pots I've seen here recently. They are modern and use doped clays. I certainly would pass on these.

What makes you think that my teapot is a modern knockoff and not a F1 pot from the early 80s?

Because the craftsmanship is nowhere close to F1 standards. Sorry. Literally looks one of those gift shop pots. Professor Liu has a great book on F1 teapots. You should try to acquire one so you can check your pots against his book.

[karma]

About 10-15 years ago you could buy these pots in museum gift shops across the U.S. for $15-$45 dollars. Same with the other plant-themed pots I've seen here recently. They are modern and use doped clays. I certainly would pass on these.

What makes you think that my teapot is a modern knockoff and not a F1 pot from the early 80s?

Because the craftsmanship is nowhere close to F1 standards. Sorry. Literally looks one of those gift shop pots. Professor Liu has a great book on F1 teapots. You should try to acquire one so you can check your pots against his book.

Do you have a copy of this book? If/when we get tea once quarantine is over, can I take a gander at it?

[Bok]

Hey everyone. I hope you're all having a nice day.

So, I bought this vintage Ju Lun Zhu, and the spout was a little wonky. I decided to use a file to try and get it looking better. My perception is gone from working on it so much, so I can no longer judge whether it looks even/good. What do y'all think?

Cute fella. What makes you think it is vintage? The only official JLZ I am aware of are either antiques or contemporary, in between no JLZ were made, except the fakes... That does not really matter per se, just the concern is about the clay they used. People who do fakes usually do not concern themselves with more than to pass them on as real. Does the clay have tiny silver specs?

On the bright side, it looks more like one of those modern copies, rather than a semi-old fake

[pantry]

Does the clay have tiny silver specs?

What does having silver specs tell you about the clay?

[Bok]

Does the clay have tiny silver specs?

What does having silver specs tell you about the clay?

If there are none it's not Qingshuini

[OCTO]

OCTO
Have you found some time yet to look at my 3 friends pot?

@Mark-S.... Yes I just did. It's almost impossible to authenticate with 100% surety the actual age and authenticity of the pot without having the pot in my hands. But there are inconsistencies all around the pot that would keep me away from making a BUY decision based on the photos alone. Too many suspicious red flags that are not consistent with this particular pot's workmanship style and age.

Cheers!

[Mark-S]

Because the craftsmanship is nowhere close to F1 standards. Sorry. Literally looks one of those gift shop pots. Professor Liu has a great book on F1 teapots. You should try to acquire one so you can check your pots against his book.

OCTO
Have you found some time yet to look at my 3 friends pot?

Mark-S.... Yes I just did. It's almost impossible to authenticate with 100% surety the actual age and authenticity of the pot without having the pot in my hands. But there are inconsistencies all around the pot that would keep me away from making a BUY decision based on the photos alone. Too many suspicious red flags that are not consistent with this particular pot's workmanship style and age.

Cheers!

All right, thanks for your assessment. There are some pots that look similar to mine. At least how I remember it.
The last teapot should be a replica from the early 90s. It does not look like a cheap gift shop pot to me, but I now get it why you think it's not a F1 pot.

For example:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... 1781238325
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... 8144045690
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... 2471286596
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... 8165259694

Unfortunately, I don't have the pot with me, and I only got old pictures from bad angles. I'll check my teapot again after the corona crisis.

[steanze]

The plot thickens.

I have observed that two different seals are associated with Xu Yue Feng’s studio. Gleaning from Chinese websites as best I can, one seal seems to be more prevalent on considerably less expensive pots. Is it possible it denotes apprentice work?

Following up on this conversation, this is the seal on my pot, which I got ~8 years ago. It is different from both of those two. Note that since I took the pic with the pot on one side, the bottom of the seal is facing right, and the top is facing left. You need to turn your head to the left to read it upright.

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[Bok]

Following up on this conversation, this is the seal on my pot, which I got ~8 years ago. It is different from both of those two. Note that since I took the pic with the pot on one side, the bottom of the seal is facing right, and the top is facing left. You need to turn your head to the left to read it upright.

That is some lovely clay there!

[steanze]

That is some lovely clay there!

Yes it is pretty nice