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Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:54 am

OCTO wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:34 am
hahaha... what do you think?? ZhuNi or HongNi... it's always a debate among yixing pot enthusiasts.
Don't know really! The pots have both zhuni and hongni characteristics in my opinion.
If I had to pick a side, i'd say it is hongni (Maybe aged?).
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:11 am

carogust wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:54 am
OCTO wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:34 am
hahaha... what do you think?? ZhuNi or HongNi... it's always a debate among yixing pot enthusiasts.
Don't know really! The pots have both zhuni and hongni characteristics in my opinion.
If I had to pick a side, i'd say it is hongni (Maybe aged?).
The one on the left is HongNi, but the clay is so smooth and fine, it has ZhuNi like characteristic. The other pot is Modern ZhuNi (Y2K), silky smooth but lacking the characteristic wrinkles that ZhuNi collectors look for. It's there, but not as visible as on my grandma's face... 😁😁😁
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:20 am

@OCTO Interesting! Good to remember to not worry too much about if its x clay as long as the end result is nice...
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:00 am

carogust wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:20 am
OCTO Interesting! Good to remember to not worry too much about if its x clay as long as the end result is nice...
Bingo!! Life itself is already very complicated and stressful, let's not make it any harder by debating over clay structural integrity and chemical accuracy. 😅😅
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:33 am

Day 5 of MCO... more friends coming out to play.... :D :D
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:43 am

Flattening the curve by bringing lots of curves onto the tea table :)
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:45 am

http://zishaartgallery.com/product/4%e6 ... b6-za0142/

I can't tell -- is the a green label f1? and this seems to be hongni, but they don't say the clay anywhere? Navigating ZAG is rough.
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:01 am

karma wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:45 am
http://zishaartgallery.com/product/4%e6 ... b6-za0142/

I can't tell -- is the a green label f1? and this seems to be hongni, but they don't say the clay anywhere? Navigating ZAG is rough.
You can be sure that ZAG does selling nothing else than F1 factory and antiques... the clay is often mentioned in the Chinese description or name. Says Zisha in this case. As to what Zisha is opposed to Hongni, that is a whole other discussion. In any case, this pot is not hongni it seems.
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:06 pm

Bok wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:01 am
karma wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:45 am
http://zishaartgallery.com/product/4%e6 ... b6-za0142/

I can't tell -- is the a green label f1? and this seems to be hongni, but they don't say the clay anywhere? Navigating ZAG is rough.
You can be sure that ZAG does selling nothing else than F1 factory and antiques... the clay is often mentioned in the Chinese description or name. Says Zisha in this case. As to what Zisha is opposed to Hongni, that is a whole other discussion. In any case, this pot is not hongni it seems.
safe to assume it is zini, or nzwh? either way i've emailed them. trying to get better at identifying this stuff through pictures.
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:45 pm

@karma it’s not NZWH they do write as much for other pots they have on offer. Some sort of lower fired Zini it seems to me.

I’d say that ZAG is proportionally more expensive for F1 pots than compared to their antiques and compared to F1 from other vendors.

Don’t think you need to buy green label from them, plenty out there from cheaper sources.
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:08 pm

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karma it’s not NZWH they do write as much for other pots they have on offer. Some sort of lower fired Zini it seems to me.

I’d say that ZAG is proportionally more expensive for F1 pots than compared to their antiques and compared to F1 from other vendors.

Don’t think you need to buy green label from them, plenty out there from cheaper sources.
@karma
Not sure which country you are in, here is another vendor for F1 pots that talked about quite a lot last year:
http://2088taiwan.com/
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:57 pm

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karma
Not sure which country you are in, here is another vendor for F1 pots that talked about quite a lot last year:
http://2088taiwan.com/
Yeah, I like their pots a lot but they seem to not have any green labels in the 120 size I'm looking for and for the price im able to spend. I see people saying green labels are really the only pots that are worth it but I feel like maybe a pot like this will serve me just as well (if I'm not willing to spend over 200)? http://2088taiwan.com//index.php?route= ... duct_id=84 or http://2088taiwan.com//index.php?route= ... uct_id=171
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Yeah, I like their pots a lot but they seem to not have any green labels in the 120 size I'm looking for and for the price im able to spend. I see people saying green labels are really the only pots that are worth it but I feel like maybe a pot like this will serve me just as well (if I'm not willing to spend over 200)? http://2088taiwan.com//index.php?route= ... duct_id=84 or http://2088taiwan.com//index.php?route= ... uct_id=171
If I were you I'd rather save up and go for green label or older. As many rightfully suggest, newer factory is best skipped to modern post-factory or earlier.
Emmet seems to have more economic pots sometimes, you could directly contact him with your request.
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Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:42 am

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If I were you I'd rather save up and go for green label or older. As many rightfully suggest, newer factory is best skipped to modern post-factory or earlier.
Emmet seems to have more economic pots sometimes, you could directly contact him with your request.
Is green label really twice to three times as good as white label? To be quite honest it isn't so much of a "save up" issues as a "can't justify" issue. $300 or so for a first plunge into this world seems quite steep for me, I'd be willing to spend that much if I knew I felt it was worth it -- but not until that point. In my experience so far, it feels like people tend to say whatever price a site is offering pots at is far too high and then turn around and recommend another site offering pots at similar prices. I'm unclear as to what I'm missing.

I seem to remember reading positive things about zini in this period (in contrast to hongni), but forum post binges have a tendency to blend together -- is white label clay universally regarded as not-worth-it? What aspects make it not worthy of a first plunge?

And I shall indeed follow up with Emmet more (though his cheapest sold green label offerings are still $300), I corresponded with him about a pot for a bit but he didn't respond after I asked about prices. I remembered this as a week ago, but turns out it was just a couple days. :oops: I think cabin fever from isolation (due to illness before the pandemic I'm on week 5 now!) and my youthful impatience are combining in all the wrong ways presently. With nothing to do I'm just reading about yixing and annoying people online with my questions... :D
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Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:46 am

karma wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:57 pm
DailyTX wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:08 pm
karma
Not sure which country you are in, here is another vendor for F1 pots that talked about quite a lot last year:
http://2088taiwan.com/
Yeah, I like their pots a lot but they seem to not have any green labels in the 120 size I'm looking for and for the price im able to spend. I see people saying green labels are really the only pots that are worth it but I feel like maybe a pot like this will serve me just as well (if I'm not willing to spend over 200)? http://2088taiwan.com//index.php?route= ... duct_id=84 or http://2088taiwan.com//index.php?route= ... uct_id=171
@karma
+1 at what Bok said.
A green sticker pot that not NZWH will cost you at least 250-300 unless you are those experts who have the expertise to identify them from eBay or other estate sale channels. If you kept your limit to 200 dollars, maybe modern pots from mudandleaves will provide much better user experience. Another idea is essenceoftea has private order pots, probably not many left. I owned one and it’s one of my to go pot for Sheng Pu erh that’s aged under 20 years.
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