Looking to pair some pots. Ideas on where to begin?

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Sat May 02, 2020 10:02 pm

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Tall shape for High mountain is a misconception I think... round works usually best for most teas, as it allows for the best equal leaf expansion. But any shape can be used if adapted to accordingly...
Yup.. agree with @Bok. The shape of the pot doesn't really have an impact on the tea as long as there is enough room for the tea leaves to unfold.

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Sat May 02, 2020 10:15 pm

sporad wrote:
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Bok wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 11:24 am
Tall shape for High mountain is a misconception I think... round works usually best for most teas, as it allows for the best equal leaf expansion. But any shape can be used if adapted to accordingly...
So maybe tall for high mountain if it's more like Si Ting rather than a flat-bottomed cylinder shape, no? Would you consider a Sang bian round or what you mean by round is that the base rounds up? So curious about the different techniques to adapt a pot shape to the leaf. I assume it has to do with pouring techniques. Maybe also includes some slight swirling of the pot during brewing?

This is also making me wonder about the lid shape and proportions as well. I assume it makes a difference it's close or flat to the lip or rather it bulges up (like in a Si Ting).
You can repeat this pairing process using pots of different shapes made from the same batch of clay. Then you will be able to do an educated comparison and study the outcome.

Cheers!!!
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Sat May 02, 2020 10:22 pm

OCTO wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 10:02 pm

Yup.. agree with Bok. The shape of the pot doesn't really have an impact on the tea as long as there is enough room for the tea leaves to unfold.

Cheers!
+1. Pot shape can change a bit the surface/volume ratio and affect heat retention, but size and wall thickness also have a big impact on that.
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Sat May 02, 2020 11:41 pm

steanze wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 10:22 pm
OCTO wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 10:02 pm

Yup.. agree with Bok. The shape of the pot doesn't really have an impact on the tea as long as there is enough room for the tea leaves to unfold.

Cheers!
+1. Pot shape can change a bit the surface/volume ratio and affect heat retention, but size and wall thickness also have a big impact on that.
Right. So then there’s a good chance that even if one finds a tea-clay match, the pot might be the wrong size and have the wrong thickness. Is there a way to compensate with brewing technique?
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Sat May 02, 2020 11:51 pm

OCTO wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 10:15 pm
sporad wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 12:05 pm
Bok wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 11:24 am
Tall shape for High mountain is a misconception I think... round works usually best for most teas, as it allows for the best equal leaf expansion. But any shape can be used if adapted to accordingly...
So maybe tall for high mountain if it's more like Si Ting rather than a flat-bottomed cylinder shape, no? Would you consider a Sang bian round or what you mean by round is that the base rounds up? So curious about the different techniques to adapt a pot shape to the leaf. I assume it has to do with pouring techniques. Maybe also includes some slight swirling of the pot during brewing?

This is also making me wonder about the lid shape and proportions as well. I assume it makes a difference it's close or flat to the lip or rather it bulges up (like in a Si Ting).
You can repeat this pairing process using pots of different shapes made from the same batch of clay. Then you will be able to do an educated comparison and study the outcome.

Cheers!!!
Do you know of anybody who has done this and documented it?
Or any teapot studios out there who might want to sponsor an experiment such as this? ;)
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Sat May 02, 2020 11:59 pm

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Sat May 02, 2020 11:51 pm

Do you know of anybody who has done this and documented it?
Or any teapot studios out there who might want to sponsor an experiment such as this? ;)

I have done it before. It's always self funded... hahahaha... 😁😁😁
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Sun May 03, 2020 12:05 am

OCTO wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 11:59 pm
sporad wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 11:51 pm

Do you know of anybody who has done this and documented it?
Or any teapot studios out there who might want to sponsor an experiment such as this? ;)
I have done it before. It's always self funded... hahahaha... 😁😁😁
I want to know more! At least how many (and what type of) pots and what kind of clay(s)?
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Sun May 03, 2020 12:06 am

sporad wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 11:41 pm

Right. So then there’s a good chance that even if one finds a tea-clay match, the pot might be the wrong size and have the wrong thickness. Is there a way to compensate with brewing technique?
That is correct. If the pot is too thick, there isn't much to do about it. If it's too big, you can fill only part of it. If it's too small, also nothing to do about it...
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sporad wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 12:05 am
OCTO wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 11:59 pm
sporad wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 11:51 pm

Do you know of anybody who has done this and documented it?
Or any teapot studios out there who might want to sponsor an experiment such as this? ;)
I have done it before. It's always self funded... hahahaha... 😁😁😁
I want to know more! At least how many (and what type of) pots and what kind of clay(s)?
Oh boy. This is going to be a long list @OCTO :lol:
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Sun May 03, 2020 12:19 am

steanze wrote:
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sporad wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 11:41 pm

Right. So then there’s a good chance that even if one finds a tea-clay match, the pot might be the wrong size and have the wrong thickness. Is there a way to compensate with brewing technique?
That is correct. If the pot is too thick, there isn't much to do about it. If it's too big, you can fill only part of it. If it's too small, also nothing to do about it...
I had been wondering about pots being too big, particularly for yancha (I keep reading about how people pack it all the way to the top and sometimes even beyond). So what does a half-full pot do to it? I assume the temperature disperses faster, so would pouring boiling water over it compensate for that heat loss, for example?
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Oh boy. This is going to be a long list OCTO :lol:
Sensei @steanze knows me well... hahahahaha....
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I had been wondering about pots being too big, particularly for yancha (I keep reading about how people pack it all the way to the top and sometimes even beyond). So what does a half-full pot do to it? I assume the temperature disperses faster, so would pouring boiling water over it compensate for that heat loss, for example?
For yancha it does not do it... because if you're using a cha dan you need the walls to press down on the leaves when they expand. Otherwise you'll have crushed leaf bits everywhere. For puer it is not as big of a deal in my opinion
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Sun May 03, 2020 12:37 am

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I want to know more! At least how many (and what type of) pots and what kind of clay(s)?
hahahaha... will surely share more when I can dig up my old photos. I've done them with most of the traditional clays and some modern clays too. But after a few rounds, you will be able to come to a definitive conclusion of what shape, size and clay you prefer for a given type of tea.

It's never easy to get one batch of teapots that comes from the same source, using the same batch of clay and fired in the same uniform manner. If you do, it's always very costly. Every time I do that, it will easily cost US$3000 to secure a handful of pots that's worth investing our time and money in. No point getting mediocre pots to try... not worth spending that amount of hard earned money.

Another option is to band together a group of fellow tea drinkers who are willing to share the order. Sometimes we do that too. A group of 6 can select a design each. Then you will have 6 pots of equal clay and source. It's fun!.. hahahaha...

My 2cents... Cheers!!
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Sun May 03, 2020 12:39 am

See my recent experiment of Yancha in a 300ml pot, it does work! Couldn’t say it’s worse or better, just different expression of the same tea :)
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Sun May 03, 2020 12:42 am

Bok wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 12:39 am
See my recent experiment of Yancha in a 300ml pot, it does work! Couldn’t say it’s worse or better, just different expression of the same tea :)
I was precisely just reading through that thread! 300ml! Great!
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