Is Yixing more porous than CZ??

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Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:24 am

OCTO wrote:
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We might also mention vendors like Teahabitat, which are well respected and do recommend only to use CZ with Dancong as being superior to Yixing for those teas. What does the community think about that?
I would add that though CZ pots generally enhances the flavor of DanCong, I have personally came across many other yixing teapots that brews equally good DanCong. Tried DuanNi, LueNi, ZhuNi, HongNi, DiCaoQing, QingShuiNi and ZiSha... ranging from ROC to modern era pots... all yielded good results.

A lot depends on the roast level of the tea.

Cheers!
OCTO would be really interesting to try all your teaware with some medium grade DanCong that I have neglected on a shelf. Too bad you’re not in California :) ... At TeaHabitat, Imen serves DanCong using porcelain gaiwan, but does sell Chaozhou pots and uses them for her personal sessions. So far I have not purchased any Chaozhou pots, mostly I haven’t seen any with aesthetically pleasing proportions or form. The only quality DanCong I’ve had is from TeaHabitat, and I use interior glazed pots, or a thin walled /dense /high fire /burnished /shudei Tokoname pot by Hokujo (made before he started using stoneware).
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Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:12 pm

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So far I have not purchased any Chaozhou pots, mostly I haven’t seen any with aesthetically pleasing proportions or form.
I am with you on that! Somehow Chaozhou pots often do have weird designs, or are copies of Yixing designs. Although I have seen others where the attention to detail was much better, compared to Yixing.
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IMO CZ clay can really help smooth out lower to medium grade dancong, but it's better suited to high fire oolongs. Good dancong is definitely a gaiwan tea for me!
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Victoria wrote:
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OCTO would be really interesting to try all your teaware with some medium grade DanCong that I have neglected on a shelf. Too bad you’re not in California :)
Hahaha... yeah. I’m at the other side of the globe ... you are always welcomed to visit Penang. Will bring you on a tea & pot tour!

Cheers!!
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:44 pm

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Victoria wrote:
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So far I have not purchased any Chaozhou pots, mostly I haven’t seen any with aesthetically pleasing proportions or form.
I am with you on that! Somehow Chaozhou pots often do have weird designs, or are copies of Yixing designs. Although I have seen others where the attention to detail was much better, compared to Yixing.
Traditional CZ teapots are shaped very similarly to Yixing teapots. It is possible to find some nice ones too... I’ve found one but it’s not the traditional CZ red clay... it’s dark and brown. Brews equally good compared to the red clay.

Cheers!!
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:33 pm

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Traditional CZ teapots are shaped very similarly to Yixing teapots. It is possible to find some nice ones too... I’ve found one but it’s not the traditional CZ red clay... it’s dark and brown. Brews equally good compared to the red clay.
That one is nice indeed.
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:16 am

So, I got my first Chaozhou pot :mrgreen:
It is currently being tested heavily with all sorts of mostly roasted teas.

This potters work is very good, it has a beeeeeautiful pour, and the thinness is at Zhuni level!
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Volume is 100ml.
So far I have not noticed any unfavorable influence on the teas. Brewing Dancong at the moment and it turns out at least as nice as before, maybe a bit more balanced, but I will need to brew a few more days to confirm that.
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:47 am

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Volume is 100ml.
So far I have not noticed any unfavorable influence on the teas. Brewing Dancong at the moment and it turns out at least as nice as before, maybe a bit more balanced, but I will need to brew a few more days to confirm that.
Looking good....

Cheers!
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OCTO wrote:
Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:47 am
Bok wrote:
Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:18 am
Volume is 100ml.
So far I have not noticed any unfavorable influence on the teas. Brewing Dancong at the moment and it turns out at least as nice as before, maybe a bit more balanced, but I will need to brew a few more days to confirm that.
Looking good....

Cheers!
Nice pot Bok, the undulations must be nice to hold with thumb and fingers.
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Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:56 pm

Yes actually I found what mei leaf said to be correct.

everywhere you look online and people just copy each other and say the same thing.

I bought a CZ hongni clay teapot from yunnan sourcing, and it is not porous at all.

infact it is so not porous that i actually do what mei leaf said and use it as my all star teapot, for all kinds of black, white and oolongs.

don't always belive what the masses say. in this case only one person said it is not porous and everyone else said the exact opposite.
but mei leaf was correct and everyone else is totally wrong.

I have both a zini yixing teapot and a CZ hongni, so I can tell you as it is without twisting anything.

yixing is way more porous than CZ.
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Sun Nov 25, 2018 6:39 pm

@Trusar CERTAIN Yixing are more porous than certain CZ. There are many kinds of Yixing clays, all with different properties in terms of porosity. The way they are fired further determines how porous they are.

Or are you saying a Zhuni clay Yixing is porous? You’d be the first to say so... hongni is less, or not porous than Zini. Etc. The list is long and full of exceptions.

Furthermore clays of vintage or antique pots adds even more variety. CZ as well has very poorly produced pots which can be very porous.

I would be careful to say everyone is wrong, especially with an experience based on two teapots...

As often, everything depends.
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Trusar wrote:
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Yes actually I found what mei leaf said to be correct.
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yixing is way more porous than CZ.
I have handmade Yixing teapots from late Qing dynasty to present, of several different clays, many makers, different kiln types, different temps. The statement that “yixing is way more porous than CZ” is such an enormous generalization that it cannot be stated as a fact or even a generalization.

There’s also a fallacy in comparing all Yixing to one teapot of mediocre or poor manufacture.

It is equivalent to saying: “[insert the name of some disreputable person] said Korean food is better than Chinese food. I went to Panda Express once and [disreputable person] is correct.”

(Welcome aboard, btw!)
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Trusar wrote:
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Yes actually I found what mei leaf said to be correct.
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yixing is way more porous than CZ.
I am with Bok and Baisao here, it depends on the Yixing, some duanni might be more absorptive than CZ, lao zhuni is definitely less... May I ask you how you evaluate the porosity of a teapot?
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Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:52 pm

This is the CZ Teapot I have, dont know how clear the Pics are but if they are clear enough, you can see it is not the same as the one BOK put up.
smooth inside and out.
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