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I have EoT’s #1 and CP’s diamond teapots. From the look and the effects on tea, I believe they’re not the same clay.
Different how, one better than the other or just different?
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I have recently bought a silver grade teapot and payed quite a lot. However, I think it’s worth the money. This pot has improved some teas that were great already. Even though it costs quite a bit, I’m thinking of buying another one soon. Even if I had the opportunity to give it back and get back my money, I wouldn’t do it.

I only bought a pot and cups from them, so I don’t have any experience with their teas. I do know the aged teas are far out of my budget. The modern pots might be a bit overpriced, but if you don’t really know where to buy decent quality elsewhere and If you have the money, it’s not a bad purchase.
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:36 am

Bok wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:19 am
Tor wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:55 am
I have EoT’s #1 and CP’s diamond teapots. From the look and the effects on tea, I believe they’re not the same clay.
Different how, one better than the other or just different?
Diamond clay is less muting, shows better details, deeper and longer aftertaste than #1.

Both clays have quite strong minerality compare to many other Zini. So strong that they feel harsh when new. They need some seasoning to smooth out.

I usually don’t like to use Zini with Yancha, but the diamond clay seems to work quite nicely, in a different way. With Yancha, red clays (Hongni or Zhuni) give better clarity, while diamond clay gives more depth, fuller mouthfeel, deeper and longer aftertaste.
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:27 am

@Tor thanks!
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:06 am

Tor wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:36 am
Bok wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:19 am
Tor wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:55 am
I have EoT’s #1 and CP’s diamond teapots. From the look and the effects on tea, I believe they’re not the same clay.
Different how, one better than the other or just different?
Both clays have quite strong minerality compare to many other Zini. So strong that they feel harsh when new. They need some seasoning to smooth out.
What is Minerality? How would you define it?
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Youzi wrote:
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Tor wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:36 am
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:19 am

Different how, one better than the other or just different?
Both clays have quite strong minerality compare to many other Zini. So strong that they feel harsh when new. They need some seasoning to smooth out.
What is Minerality? How would you define it?
Hmmm.. one of the characters is the rough, grainy texture in tea broth, a bit like astringency but can be harsher. That sounds negative, but I think it also makes thicker body and more pronounced/longer aftertaste.

As an example, I feel that 80s Pin Zini F1 has strong minerality.
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:46 pm

Tor wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:36 am
Bok wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:19 am
Tor wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:55 am
I have EoT’s #1 and CP’s diamond teapots. From the look and the effects on tea, I believe they’re not the same clay.
Different how, one better than the other or just different?
Diamond clay is less muting, shows better details, deeper and longer aftertaste than #1.

Both clays have quite strong minerality compare to many other Zini. So strong that they feel harsh when new. They need some seasoning to smooth out.

I usually don’t like to use Zini with Yancha, but the diamond clay seems to work quite nicely, in a different way. With Yancha, red clays (Hongni or Zhuni) give better clarity, while diamond clay gives more depth, fuller mouthfeel, deeper and longer aftertaste.
Thank you! Good to know the differences. One frustration I have with their pots is the obscurity of the clay type they use. It's not that I want to chase after certain clays, but without knowing what they are it's difficult to learn :?
I also find their diamond grade non-muting. Alas, the one I got is very slow pouring with somewhat small opening--not ideal for Yancha. Shapes are important :lol:
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:59 pm

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Alas, the one I got is very slow pouring with somewhat small opening--not ideal for Yancha. Shapes are important :lol:
Hmmm.. What’s the shape and size of the pot?

With some Yancha, long steeping can make an interesting brew though. Some drinkers in Wuyi stuff the pot and steep for a few minutes! :D
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:16 pm

Tor wrote:
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Alas, the one I got is very slow pouring with somewhat small opening--not ideal for Yancha. Shapes are important :lol:
Hmmm.. What’s the shape and size of the pot?

With some Yancha, long steeping can make an interesting brew though. Some drinkers in Wuyi stuff the pot and steep for a few minutes! :D
Haha..that sounds like my father! His tea is seriously darker than espresso.
I got the pear shaped one, which has a double bend spout. What did you get?
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:26 pm

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Haha..that sounds like my father! His tea is seriously darker than espresso.
I got the pear shaped one, which has a double bend spout. What did you get?
Don’t try it, or you might be addicted! :lol: Well, if you do, try focus on the aftertaste. It can be really wonderful.

I got a Siting and a small Panhu. Both have very good flow.
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@pantry Hmmm.. do you mean this pear? Mine has very good flow.


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pantry Hmmm.. do you mean this pear? Mine has very good flow.
Yes, this one. It flows all right just slow. Perhaps I'll try again. I also chipped the tip of the spout without knowing :'(

The small pan hu looks really cute! I love the look. What did you use it for? I got the small da bin hu, but it's mostly a tea pet right now 😅
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pantry Hmmm.. do you mean this pear? Mine has very good flow.
Yes, this one. It flows all right just slow. Perhaps I'll try again. I also chipped the tip of the spout without knowing :'(

The small pan hu looks really cute! I love the look. What did you use it for? I got the small da bin hu, but it's mostly a tea pet right now 😅
That’s very unfortunate.

My 50ml Panhu is mostly used for Yancha.
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Tor wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:45 pm
pantry wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:46 pm
Tor wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:35 pm
pantry Hmmm.. do you mean this pear? Mine has very good flow.
Yes, this one. It flows all right just slow. Perhaps I'll try again. I also chipped the tip of the spout without knowing :'(

The small pan hu looks really cute! I love the look. What did you use it for? I got the small da bin hu, but it's mostly a tea pet right now 😅
That’s very unfortunate.

My 50ml Panhu is mostly used for Yancha.
Is a 50ml teapot a good buy if you will be the only person using it? I've noticed that my gaiwans that are larger than 100ml produce too much tea for me to drink so I only go for around 5 steepings or so until I can't drink anymore :(.
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@klepto I think 50ml is very small, too small really. 60ml is my limit for usefulness. I use a couple for my rarest and most expensive teas.
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